Dear New User,

** Welcome to rec.woodworking, known locally as the wreck **

This is an informal group with users of all levels of knowledge, from those
who have yet to pick up a tool, professional woodworkers, authors of books
on woodworking, woodworking magazine editors, principals of tool companies,
and every level in between.

One of the traditions of Usenet Newsgroups (NG) that is encouraged, is the
tradition of "lurking", or hanging around for a while, taking in the local
culture before posting to the NG. While not mandatory, it is asked that you
just sit back and read the NG for a short time before your first posting.
This will allow you to become familiar with how things are done in this neck
of the woods, become familiar with the locals, etc.

This group is a collection of people with a common interest in woodworking
(ww'ing), and as such the topics discussed sometimes wander away from
strictly ww'ing. Think of this NG as if you were having a number of friends
over to your shop to discuss ww'ing, 90% of the discussion will revolve
around ww'ing, but you will also discuss other things going on in your life,
like your shop dog dying, gloating about the vintage minty fresh Unisaur you
just got for $100, just got a new job, etc. That is what we do in this NG.

Please DO NOT post off topic. If you *MUST* make an off topic post, please
preface the subject with "[OT]", so those who are not interested in OT posts
can skip them..

NOTE: I have recently been receiving a lot of flack from the cabal regarding
the preceding paragraph. Apparently, a few of them think I am encouraging OT
posts, I am not, I am simply providing a way of distinguishing them so those
who want to skip them can, or even put OT in their kill file if they wish.

If you find yourself being referred to as a "newbie", don't take offence; it
is not a derogatory term, but a statement of fact.

Sometimes some members of this NG can be a little harsh, take it in stride,
put on your Nomex underwear and fire back. The timid don't survive NG's for
very long. But be polite, this is one of the few NG's left on Usenet where
decorum is still the common practice rather than the exception.

One resource that is even greater than this NG is this NG's archives. Every
message posted here is stored on Deja.com (now http://groups.google.com/).
Many knowledgeable wreckers no longer post on topics asked every other day,
because of the repetitive nature. If you want the most in depth answer to
your question, check Deja, if you do not get all the information you
require, then post your question to the NG.

Another useful Search Engine is Usenet Replayer, http://usenet-replayer.com
..

** A note on Trolls **

People, when will you learn, *PLEASE* do not reply to the trolls, leave them
under their pitiful bridge to starve. And they will starve, and go away if
you stop feeding them with your replies.

** How to use Nfilter(AKA NewsProxy) to filter out Trolls and other useless
crap **

Nfilter is used successfully by wreck members using the following O.S.'s -
Win98se, XP Home, XP Pro, Win2K, and Win2K Advanced Server.

1. Download & install NewsProxy from http://www.nfilter.org/
Basic instructions are at http://www.nfilter.org/faq.html#2.2

*** The Nfilter web site is gone! ***

Robert Bonomi has been kind enough to host the program for us wreckers,
click the link to get a copy of Nfilter and some other useful info,

http://www.r-bonomi.com/rec.woodworking/index.html

Thank you Robert.

*** ***

2. Copy the "NewsProxy" shortcut from - C:\Program Files\NewsProxy\
To - C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp\
[this is for Win98se, modify this to suit your OS.]

3. If you are using Outlook Express. Start OE. Right click on your news
folder
(not rec.ww - you want the main news folder) and select Properties.
Select the Server tab. Copy the information from the Server Name box.
Enter "localhost" (without the quote marks) in the Server Name box.
Some O.S.'s may require you use 127.0.0.1 in the Server Name box.
Select the Advanced tab and make sure that News(NNTP): is set to 119.
Click OK.

4. In NewsProxy. Select Edit | Configuration | Network tab. In the "Server
Name
or IP Number" box - paste the information from Server Name you copied in
step 3.
Nfilter *IS* case sensitive for the criteria in nfilter.dat. By enabling
Regular Expressions
you can avoid having to enter all permutations of upper & lower cases into
the
nfilter.dat file.
Select the General tab and check "Enable Regular Expressions". Click OK.
Select Edit | Filters. Click File | Save As
Change FileName to nfilter.dat.old Click Save.
Delete all the existing lines. Copy the following section,
from "Start Nfilter..." to "End", to the file & be sure not
to leave any blank lines in the file.
Click File | Save As
FileName = nfilter.dat Click Save.

# Start Nfilter.dat list
#
# Rename to 'Nfilter.dat' after downloading
#
# Robert Bonomi's "basic" rec.woodworking filter sets
#
# If you download any of the other filters/add-ons, simply append them to
# the end of this file.
#
# Any line that starts with a # is a comment line and will be ignored.
# Blank lines are a no no.
#
# This list requires that "Enable Regular Expressions" be turned on.
# In nFilter/ NewsProxy, Click Edit | Configuration and check the
# Regular Expressions box.
#
#
#Drop known troll-post sources
# hasn't been heard from in months, commented out Wed Jan 21 22:30:19 CST
2004
#rec.woodworking Drop NNTP-Posting-Host:.206\.216\.[456]
#rec.woodworking Drop NNTP-Posting-Host:.205\.184\.1[23456789]
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#
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#
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Any time you edit the nfilter.dat file be sure you Save it, then close
NewsProxy

and restart it. This will cause it to read the new nfilter.dat file. Note:
there is
no need to close your newsreader (ie Outlook Express) when doing this.

Here's a quick primer on Regular Expressions.
Using the example expression .*[Pp][Uu][Pp]+[Yy].*
[Pp] will match one letter of either upper or lower case P.
[Pp]+ will match any number of letters of either upper or lower case P.
So the above will match: Puppy, Pupy, PuPpY, pUPPPPPPPy, etc.
A dot (".") will match any single character. And ".*" will match any number
of any characters.
Spaces are not ignored and are a valid matching character.
[Pp][Uu] [Pp]+[Yy] (note the space between the U&P) will not match "Puppy"
but will match "Pu ppy".

For more information on Regular Expressions go to:
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/helpsheets/regex.html or
http://sitescooper.org/tao_regexps.html

Using the above as a guide it is simple to add a new rule, but you may want
to test it first by using Flag instead of Drop. For example, to test for
"asshole"
anywhere in the subject line use:
rec.woodworking Flag:ASSHOLE= subject:.*[Aa][Ss]+[Hh][Oo][Ll][Ee].*
Once it works to your satisfaction replace "Flag:ASSHOLE=" with "Drop".

Please use one of the test groups (ie alt.test) for testing Subjects. You
just need to change rec.woodworking to alt.test and have at it.
Alternatively
you could unsubscribe from rec.woodworking and then resubscribe. This will
give
you the actual posts from the current crop of idiots to test the From,
nntp-posting-host, or message-id functions.

CAUTION: With Regular Expressions enabled, the rule in the original
nfilter.dat file = rec.woodworking drop xref:*:*:*:* will cause ALL posts
to be dropped.

ADDITIONAL EXAMPLES from wreck users:

#Drop 2 or more xposts
rec.woodworking Drop xref:[^:]*:[^:]*:.*

#Drop any post from known troll posting hosts (as of Oct-2003)
rec.woodworking Drop nntp-posting-host:.*65\.149\.76
rec.woodworking Drop nntp-posting-host:.*63\.159\.116
rec.woodworking Drop nntp-posting-host:.*206\.216\.55
rec.woodworking Drop nntp-posting-host:.*206\.216\.[456]
rec.woodworking Drop nntp-posting-host:.*205\.184\.1[23456789]

#Drop the current trolls (as of Oct-2003)
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rec.woodworking drop path:.*{{servername}}

**** Filtering with Extreme Prejudice ****
Things have got out of hand on the wreck with a few morons posting through
Google. As such, I have decided to remove all posts from Google.com. This is
an extreme measure and decide for yourself if you want to add the following
line to your Nfilter.dat rules.
rec.woodworking drop

You should be able to see from those examples how to add additional rules to
drop messages with certain words in the subject or from specific users. If
you have any questions, please reply to this message.

5. If you are running a firewall like ZoneAlarm you will need to enable
NewsProxy to function as a server.

6. If your ISP requires you to login, Nfilter requires no special set up. It
will
pass the login information from your newsreader to your ISP/News Server.


7. For using Nfilter with multiple servers. See
http://www.geocities.com/d4vidb/x_setup11.html


*** A special thankyou to Art, AKA the Wood Butcher for his help installing
Nfilter, It works, go get it and install it now. ***



**** USING OUTLOOK EXPRESS TO FILTER THE CRAP ****

To Block a Sender:
-Click on a message from the offender.
-Click on "Message"
-Click on "Block Sender"
-Click on "Yes" to remove all messages from the offender.


To Block a Thread
-Double Click on the message
-Copy the subject line (without the prefix)
-Close the message
-Click on Tools | Message Rules | News | New
-In box #1 Check "Subject line contains specific words"
-In box #2 Check "Delete it"
-In box #3 Click on "contains specific words"
-Paste the subject line into the box
-Click Add | OK | OK


To Block On Something Else
-See Block Thread above and explore other options
in box #1.


**** NEW GOOGLE BETA FEATURE ****

Google now has a new image search engine, great for finding ideas on design!

Check it out,

http://images.google.com


** Answers to VERY common questions **
(my personal summations)

- Is Grizzly any good?
The consensus would seem to be that Grizzly is a little hit and miss. The
price is right, but the fit and finish will not be up to par with Jet and
Delta. Sometimes you will get a Lemon. Waiting over a month for delivery is
not uncommon.

- Where can I get plans?
See some links at the bottom of this message

- Where can I get plans for a router table?
See above.

- Jet vs. Delta?
At this time it seems that both are excellent products, with Jet having the
edge in value.

- What is SWMBO? (or DAMHIKT or BTDT or POS, etc.)
See link at bottom to full rec.woodworking FAQ.

- Should I buy a Craftsman power tool?
No.

- Should I use PVC pipe for compressed air lines?
http://www.osha-slc.gov/dts/hib/hib_...b19880520.html

- This newsgroup should be split.
A subject that has been beaten to death. The wreck will remain the way it
is. This NG has been pick choose for a while; simply skip over what does not
interest you.

- How do I stain Cherry?
You don't.

- What is the proper finish for a cutting board?
Mineral Oil.

- How do I protect cast iron tabletops from rust?
Plain 'ol Johnson's paste floor wax.

- Who or What are the Borg? (courtesy of John Moorhead)
Collectively, BORG is any of the big box home improvement centers that
resemble the BORG (short for cyborg - a melding of robot and human or other
species) "Cube" space vessels in "Star Trek the next generation" - they come
into town and assimilate (read: wipe out) the small, medium and sometimes
large local hardware/lumber/home improvement stores. Also specifically,
Home Depot as an acronym Big Orange Retail Giant. - You have been
assimilated. - Locutus


** Links to great woodworking reference sites **

- *** The Old Woodworking Machinery Website ***, Everything you wanted to
know about buying, restoring and using vintage woodworking machinery,
http://www.oldwwmachines.com/
- *** The full FAQ (frequently asked questions) for this newsgroup ***,
http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/
- *** Dust Collection FAQ ***, everything you wanted to know about dust
collection, http://home.attbi.com/~dstig1/dustfaq_1.html

- Canadian lumber suppliers,
http://members.rogers.com/wsguthrie/suppliers.htm
- Steambending FAQ, http://www.wcha.org/tidbits/steamfaq.html
- *Free* Plans, http://absolutelyfreeplans.com
- *Loads of Free Plans and Links*,
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/andrew.c...www/plans.html
- WoodShop Demos, lots of ww'ing demos and info,
http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm
- Woodworker's Central, where you can find reviews of equipment, FREE plans
and much much more, http://www.woodworking.org/
- WoodBin Plan Finder, http://www.woodbin.com/calcs/planfinder.htm
- Internet Woodworking.com W5, Free plans, much reference material,
http://www.internetwoodworking.com/
- Plans Now, pay ww'ing plans, http://www.plansnow.com/index.html
- Free Woodworking Plans, http://www.freeplans.com/
- More Free Woodworking Plans, http://plans.the3house.com/
- Woodweb, lots of ww'ing industry info, http://www.woodweb.com/
- Woodworking.com, http://www.woodworking.com/
- The Oak Factory, general ww'ing info, http://theoak.com/
- Portal: The Woodworking Industry Internet Directory,
http://www.iswonline.com/index.shtml
- Old Tools Mailing List FAQ, info for collectors and users of old hand
tools, http://www.brendlers.net/oldtools/OTFAQ.htm
- The Electronic Neanderthal, traditional ww'ing info,
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~alf/en/frontpage.html
- Patrick's Blood and Gore, Everything you ever wanted to know about
Stanley hand plans, and much more,
http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan0.htm
- Scary Sharp, find out what all the fuss is about, how to sharpen tools
with sandpaper, http://www.shavings.net/SCARY.HTM#original
- Health Hazards of Wood, http://www.ubeaut.com.au/badwood.htm
- Bernie Hunt's Porter-Cable 557 plate joiner FAQ's,
http://www.huntfamily.com/pc557.cfm


** Links to Woodworking Magazines **

- Fine Woodworking, http://www.taunton.com/fw/
- Popular Woodworking, http://www.popularwoodworking.com/
- Wood Magazine, http://www.woodmagazine.com
- Woodworkers Journal, http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/
- Canadian Woodworking magazine, http://www.canadianwoodworking.com/
- Shop Notes Magazine, http://www.shopnotes.com/
- Woodsmith Magazine, http://www.woodsmith.com/
- Workbench Magazine, http://www.workbenchmagazine.com/


** Links to online retailers **

- Lee Valley, Great tools, http://www.leevalley.com/home/main.asp
- Grizzly, http://www.grizzly.com
- Rockler, http://www.rockler.com
- Woodcraft, http://shop.woodcraft.com
- Garrett Wade, http://www.garrettwade.com
- Amazon, Tool Crib of the North, http://www.amazon.com/
- Jeff Jewit's Homestead Finishing, great finishing advice and finishing
products, http://www.homesteadfinishing.com/
- Paddy O'deens (Patrick Olguin) Shellac.net, best Shellac on the net,
http://www.shellac.net/index.html
- Woodfinishes online, http://woodfinishingsupplies.com/


** Links to Woodworking Equipment manufacturers **

- General and General International, http://www.general.ca/
- Delta, http://www.deltawoodworking.com
- Jet USA, http://www.jettools.com/
- Jet Canada, http://www.jetequipment.com/
- Trademaster Canada, http://www.trademasterltd.com
- Toolex International, http://www.toolex.ca
- Performax Sanders, http://www.performaxproducts.com/
- Powermatic, http://www.powermatic.com/
- Wilke Machinery Company (Bridgewood), http://www.wilkemachinery.com
- Dewalt, http://www.dewalt.com/us/core/
- Porter Cable, http://www.porter-cable.com/
- Hitachi Power Tools,
http://www.hitachi.com/Apps/hitachic...ts/PowerTools/
- Makita, http://www.makita.com/
- Bosch, http://www.boschtools.com/
- Milwaukee, http://www.mil-electric-tool.com/
- Northfield Foundry & Machine Co., Serious Big Iron, in the old iron
tradition, http://www.northfieldwoodworking.com
- Forrest Saw Blades (makers of the famous WWII blade),
http://www.forrestsawblades.com/
- Lie-Nielsen (top of the line hand planes), http://www.lie-nielsen.com/
- Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes, traditional wooden hand planes,
http://www.knight-toolworks.com/
- Leigh Dovetail Jig, best DT jig on the market, http://www.leighjigs.com
- The National Router Academy, http://www.nationalrouteracademy.com/
- Carter, the famous bandsaw guide company, http://www.carterproducts.com/

** Links to Woodworking shows on TV **

- New Yankee Workshop, http://www.newyankee.com/
- The Woodwright's Shop with Roy Underhill,
http://www.ibiblio.org/uncpress/woodwright/
- The American Woodshop with Scott Phillips,
http://www.americanwoodshop.org/resources/
- In the Workshop with John Silloats, (Canadian),
http://www.intheworkshop.com/
- The Router Workshop, http://www.routerworkshop.com/

** Related News Groups **

- alt.binaries.pictures.furniture
- alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking
- rec.crafts.woodturning
- rec.crafts.carving
- alt.home.repair

Thanks,

David.

Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him.

Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me.

Newbies, please read this newsgroups full FAQ.

rec.ww FAQ http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/
Archives http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
crowbar FAQ http://www.klownhammer.org/crowbar

Thank you, David. I just installed NewsProxy, and blocked a sender, and it
works just fine !
I wish I had this filter months ago.
Matt

**** Filtering with Extreme Prejudice ****
Things have got out of hand on the wreck with a few morons posting through
Google. As such, I have decided to remove all posts from Google.com. This is
an extreme measure and decide for yourself if you want to add the following
line to your Nfilter.dat rules.

Please reconsider this. Plenty of users, especially newcomers, use
google, and many one-time users who might be helpful use google to
find the NG.

H.

why not just filter out everyone but the miscreant crew?
you could all give each other ego strokes all day long and
not be bothered by trolls and newbie questions, if those
bother you so much.

dave

David F. Eisan wrote:

Dear New User,

** Welcome to rec.woodworking, known locally as the wreck **

This is an informal group with users of all levels of knowledge, from those
who have yet to pick up a tool, professional woodworkers, authors of books
on woodworking, woodworking magazine editors, principals of tool companies,
and every level in between.

One of the traditions of Usenet Newsgroups (NG) that is encouraged, is the
tradition of "lurking", or hanging around for a while, taking in the local
culture before posting to the NG. While not mandatory, it is asked that you
just sit back and read the NG for a short time before your first posting.
This will allow you to become familiar with how things are done in this neck
of the woods, become familiar with the locals, etc.

This group is a collection of people with a common interest in woodworking
(ww'ing), and as such the topics discussed sometimes wander away from
strictly ww'ing. Think of this NG as if you were having a number of friends
over to your shop to discuss ww'ing, 90% of the discussion will revolve
around ww'ing, but you will also discuss other things going on in your life,
like your shop dog dying, gloating about the vintage minty fresh Unisaur you
just got for $100, just got a new job, etc. That is what we do in this NG.

Please DO NOT post off topic. If you *MUST* make an off topic post, please
preface the subject with "[OT]", so those who are not interested in OT posts
can skip them..

NOTE: I have recently been receiving a lot of flack from the cabal regarding
the preceding paragraph. Apparently, a few of them think I am encouraging OT
posts, I am not, I am simply providing a way of distinguishing them so those
who want to skip them can, or even put OT in their kill file if they wish.

If you find yourself being referred to as a "newbie", don't take offence; it
is not a derogatory term, but a statement of fact.

Sometimes some members of this NG can be a little harsh, take it in stride,
put on your Nomex underwear and fire back. The timid don't survive NG's for
very long. But be polite, this is one of the few NG's left on Usenet where
decorum is still the common practice rather than the exception.

One resource that is even greater than this NG is this NG's archives. Every
message posted here is stored on Deja.com (now http://groups.google.com/).
Many knowledgeable wreckers no longer post on topics asked every other day,
because of the repetitive nature. If you want the most in depth answer to
your question, check Deja, if you do not get all the information you
require, then post your question to the NG.

Another useful Search Engine is Usenet Replayer, http://usenet-replayer.com
.

** A note on Trolls **

People, when will you learn, *PLEASE* do not reply to the trolls, leave them
under their pitiful bridge to starve. And they will starve, and go away if
you stop feeding them with your replies.

** How to use Nfilter(AKA NewsProxy) to filter out Trolls and other useless
crap **

Nfilter is used successfully by wreck members using the following O.S.'s -
Win98se, XP Home, XP Pro, Win2K, and Win2K Advanced Server.

1. Download & install NewsProxy from http://www.nfilter.org/
Basic instructions are at http://www.nfilter.org/faq.html#2.2

*** The Nfilter web site is gone! ***

Robert Bonomi has been kind enough to host the program for us wreckers,
click the link to get a copy of Nfilter and some other useful info,

http://www.r-bonomi.com/rec.woodworking/index.html

Thank you Robert.

*** ***

2. Copy the "NewsProxy" shortcut from - C:\Program Files\NewsProxy\
To - C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp\
[this is for Win98se, modify this to suit your OS.]

3. If you are using Outlook Express. Start OE. Right click on your news
folder
(not rec.ww - you want the main news folder) and select Properties.
Select the Server tab. Copy the information from the Server Name box.
Enter "localhost" (without the quote marks) in the Server Name box.
Some O.S.'s may require you use 127.0.0.1 in the Server Name box.
Select the Advanced tab and make sure that News(NNTP): is set to 119.
Click OK.

4. In NewsProxy. Select Edit | Configuration | Network tab. In the "Server
Name
or IP Number" box - paste the information from Server Name you copied in
step 3.
Nfilter *IS* case sensitive for the criteria in nfilter.dat. By enabling
Regular Expressions
you can avoid having to enter all permutations of upper & lower cases into
the
nfilter.dat file.
Select the General tab and check "Enable Regular Expressions". Click OK.
Select Edit | Filters. Click File | Save As
Change FileName to nfilter.dat.old Click Save.
Delete all the existing lines. Copy the following section,
from "Start Nfilter..." to "End", to the file & be sure not
to leave any blank lines in the file.
Click File | Save As
FileName = nfilter.dat Click Save.

# Start Nfilter.dat list
#
# Rename to 'Nfilter.dat' after downloading
#
# Robert Bonomi's "basic" rec.woodworking filter sets
#
# If you download any of the other filters/add-ons, simply append them to
# the end of this file.
#
# Any line that starts with a # is a comment line and will be ignored.
# Blank lines are a no no.
#
# This list requires that "Enable Regular Expressions" be turned on.
# In nFilter/ NewsProxy, Click Edit | Configuration and check the
# Regular Expressions box.
#
#
#Drop known troll-post sources
# hasn't been heard from in months, commented out Wed Jan 21 22:30:19 CST
2004
#rec.woodworking Drop NNTP-Posting-Host:.206\.216\.[456]
#rec.woodworking Drop NNTP-Posting-Host:.205\.184\.1[23456789]
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rec.woodworking Drop
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Here's a quick primer on Regular Expressions.
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[Pp] will match one letter of either upper or lower case P.
[Pp]+ will match any number of letters of either upper or lower case P.
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"asshole"
anywhere in the subject line use:
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Once it works to your satisfaction replace "Flag:ASSHOLE=" with "Drop".

Please use one of the test groups (ie alt.test) for testing Subjects. You
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#Drop the current trolls (as of Oct-2003)
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**** Filtering with Extreme Prejudice ****
Things have got out of hand on the wreck with a few morons posting through
Google. As such, I have decided to remove all posts from Google.com. This is
an extreme measure and decide for yourself if you want to add the following
line to your Nfilter.dat rules.
rec.woodworking drop

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*** A special thankyou to Art, AKA the Wood Butcher for his help installing
Nfilter, It works, go get it and install it now. ***



**** USING OUTLOOK EXPRESS TO FILTER THE CRAP ****

To Block a Sender:
-Click on a message from the offender.
-Click on "Message"
-Click on "Block Sender"
-Click on "Yes" to remove all messages from the offender.


To Block a Thread
-Double Click on the message
-Copy the subject line (without the prefix)
-Close the message
-Click on Tools | Message Rules | News | New
-In box #1 Check "Subject line contains specific words"
-In box #2 Check "Delete it"
-In box #3 Click on "contains specific words"
-Paste the subject line into the box
-Click Add | OK | OK


To Block On Something Else
-See Block Thread above and explore other options
in box #1.


**** NEW GOOGLE BETA FEATURE ****

Google now has a new image search engine, great for finding ideas on design!

Check it out,

http://images.google.com


** Answers to VERY common questions **
(my personal summations)

- Is Grizzly any good?
The consensus would seem to be that Grizzly is a little hit and miss. The
price is right, but the fit and finish will not be up to par with Jet and
Delta. Sometimes you will get a Lemon. Waiting over a month for delivery is
not uncommon.

- Where can I get plans?
See some links at the bottom of this message

- Where can I get plans for a router table?
See above.

- Jet vs. Delta?
At this time it seems that both are excellent products, with Jet having the
edge in value.

- What is SWMBO? (or DAMHIKT or BTDT or POS, etc.)
See link at bottom to full rec.woodworking FAQ.

- Should I buy a Craftsman power tool?
No.

- Should I use PVC pipe for compressed air lines?
http://www.osha-slc.gov/dts/hib/hib_...b19880520.html

- This newsgroup should be split.
A subject that has been beaten to death. The wreck will remain the way it
is. This NG has been pick choose for a while; simply skip over what does not
interest you.

- How do I stain Cherry?
You don't.

- What is the proper finish for a cutting board?
Mineral Oil.

- How do I protect cast iron tabletops from rust?
Plain 'ol Johnson's paste floor wax.

- Who or What are the Borg? (courtesy of John Moorhead)
Collectively, BORG is any of the big box home improvement centers that
resemble the BORG (short for cyborg - a melding of robot and human or other
species) "Cube" space vessels in "Star Trek the next generation" - they come
into town and assimilate (read: wipe out) the small, medium and sometimes
large local hardware/lumber/home improvement stores. Also specifically,
Home Depot as an acronym Big Orange Retail Giant. - You have been
assimilated. - Locutus


** Links to great woodworking reference sites **

- *** The Old Woodworking Machinery Website ***, Everything you wanted to
know about buying, restoring and using vintage woodworking machinery,
http://www.oldwwmachines.com/
- *** The full FAQ (frequently asked questions) for this newsgroup ***,
http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/
- *** Dust Collection FAQ ***, everything you wanted to know about dust
collection, http://home.attbi.com/~dstig1/dustfaq_1.html

- Canadian lumber suppliers,
http://members.rogers.com/wsguthrie/suppliers.htm
- Steambending FAQ, http://www.wcha.org/tidbits/steamfaq.html
- *Free* Plans, http://absolutelyfreeplans.com
- *Loads of Free Plans and Links*,
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/andrew.c...www/plans.html
- WoodShop Demos, lots of ww'ing demos and info,
http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm
- Woodworker's Central, where you can find reviews of equipment, FREE plans
and much much more, http://www.woodworking.org/
- WoodBin Plan Finder, http://www.woodbin.com/calcs/planfinder.htm
- Internet Woodworking.com W5, Free plans, much reference material,
http://www.internetwoodworking.com/
- Plans Now, pay ww'ing plans, http://www.plansnow.com/index.html
- Free Woodworking Plans, http://www.freeplans.com/
- More Free Woodworking Plans, http://plans.the3house.com/
- Woodweb, lots of ww'ing industry info, http://www.woodweb.com/
- Woodworking.com, http://www.woodworking.com/
- The Oak Factory, general ww'ing info, http://theoak.com/
- Portal: The Woodworking Industry Internet Directory,
http://www.iswonline.com/index.shtml
- Old Tools Mailing List FAQ, info for collectors and users of old hand
tools, http://www.brendlers.net/oldtools/OTFAQ.htm
- The Electronic Neanderthal, traditional ww'ing info,
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~alf/en/frontpage.html
- Patrick's Blood and Gore, Everything you ever wanted to know about
Stanley hand plans, and much more,
http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan0.htm
- Scary Sharp, find out what all the fuss is about, how to sharpen tools
with sandpaper, http://www.shavings.net/SCARY.HTM#original
- Health Hazards of Wood, http://www.ubeaut.com.au/badwood.htm
- Bernie Hunt's Porter-Cable 557 plate joiner FAQ's,
http://www.huntfamily.com/pc557.cfm


** Links to Woodworking Magazines **

- Fine Woodworking, http://www.taunton.com/fw/
- Popular Woodworking, http://www.popularwoodworking.com/
- Wood Magazine, http://www.woodmagazine.com
- Woodworkers Journal, http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/
- Canadian Woodworking magazine, http://www.canadianwoodworking.com/
- Shop Notes Magazine, http://www.shopnotes.com/
- Woodsmith Magazine, http://www.woodsmith.com/
- Workbench Magazine, http://www.workbenchmagazine.com/


** Links to online retailers **

- Lee Valley, Great tools, http://www.leevalley.com/home/main.asp
- Grizzly, http://www.grizzly.com
- Rockler, http://www.rockler.com
- Woodcraft, http://shop.woodcraft.com
- Garrett Wade, http://www.garrettwade.com
- Amazon, Tool Crib of the North, http://www.amazon.com/
- Jeff Jewit's Homestead Finishing, great finishing advice and finishing
products, http://www.homesteadfinishing.com/
- Paddy O'deens (Patrick Olguin) Shellac.net, best Shellac on the net,
http://www.shellac.net/index.html
- Woodfinishes online, http://woodfinishingsupplies.com/


** Links to Woodworking Equipment manufacturers **

- General and General International, http://www.general.ca/
- Delta, http://www.deltawoodworking.com
- Jet USA, http://www.jettools.com/
- Jet Canada, http://www.jetequipment.com/
- Trademaster Canada, http://www.trademasterltd.com
- Toolex International, http://www.toolex.ca
- Performax Sanders, http://www.performaxproducts.com/
- Powermatic, http://www.powermatic.com/
- Wilke Machinery Company (Bridgewood), http://www.wilkemachinery.com
- Dewalt, http://www.dewalt.com/us/core/
- Porter Cable, http://www.porter-cable.com/
- Hitachi Power Tools,
http://www.hitachi.com/Apps/hitachic...ts/PowerTools/
- Makita, http://www.makita.com/
- Bosch, http://www.boschtools.com/
- Milwaukee, http://www.mil-electric-tool.com/
- Northfield Foundry & Machine Co., Serious Big Iron, in the old iron
tradition, http://www.northfieldwoodworking.com
- Forrest Saw Blades (makers of the famous WWII blade),
http://www.forrestsawblades.com/
- Lie-Nielsen (top of the line hand planes), http://www.lie-nielsen.com/
- Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes, traditional wooden hand planes,
http://www.knight-toolworks.com/
- Leigh Dovetail Jig, best DT jig on the market, http://www.leighjigs.com
- The National Router Academy, http://www.nationalrouteracademy.com/
- Carter, the famous bandsaw guide company, http://www.carterproducts.com/

** Links to Woodworking shows on TV **

- New Yankee Workshop, http://www.newyankee.com/
- The Woodwright's Shop with Roy Underhill,
http://www.ibiblio.org/uncpress/woodwright/
- The American Woodshop with Scott Phillips,
http://www.americanwoodshop.org/resources/
- In the Workshop with John Silloats, (Canadian),
http://www.intheworkshop.com/
- The Router Workshop, http://www.routerworkshop.com/

** Related News Groups **

- alt.binaries.pictures.furniture
- alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking
- rec.crafts.woodturning
- rec.crafts.carving
- alt.home.repair

Thanks,

David.

Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him.

Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me.

Newbies, please read this newsgroups full FAQ.

rec.ww FAQ http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/
Archives http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
crowbar FAQ http://www.klownhammer.org/crowbar

Bay Area Dave Anderson wrote in message . com...
why not just filter out everyone but the miscreant crew?
you could all give each other ego strokes all day long and
not be bothered by trolls and newbie questions, if those
bother you so much.

dave

Bay Area Dave's real name is Dave Anderson. He lives in San Jose,
California. His name and address is listed with directory assistance.

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache...mail.com&hl=en

http://makeashorterlink.com/?E20624F68

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2848/bad2.jpg

In article s.com, "David F. Eisan" wrote:
Dear New User,

** Welcome to rec.woodworking, known locally as the wreck **

# pain in the ass troll
#
rec.woodworking Drop

Unfortunately, our resident BAD boy is now posting under a variety of sock
puppets as well as his usual.







to name a few.

I'm working on it, though....

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

Get a copy of my NEW AND IMPROVED TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter
by sending email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
You must use your REAL email address to get a response.

wanna play games all day long, dougie? How about for the
next year or two?

I'm up for it if you are. I can do this as long as you want.

Just say the word. If you don't reply, I'll consider your
silence agreement. I can also post from other locations, if
that would make it more fun for YOU. I'm your huckleberry.

dave

Doug Miller wrote:

In article s.com, "David F. Eisan" wrote:

Dear New User,

** Welcome to rec.woodworking, known locally as the wreck **

# pain in the ass troll
#
rec.woodworking Drop


Unfortunately, our resident BAD boy is now posting under a variety of sock
puppets as well as his usual.







to name a few.

I'm working on it, though....

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

Get a copy of my NEW AND IMPROVED TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter
by sending email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
You must use your REAL email address to get a response.

In article ,
miller doug wrote:

wanna play games all day long, dougie? How about for the
next year or two?

I'm up for it if you are. I can do this as long as you want.

OK, maybe you two are but maybe the rest of us aren't. I am sure there
are a whole lot of people who might prefer it if you didn't go to war.

In article rs.com, Paul Kierstead wrote:
In article ,
miller doug wrote:

wanna play games all day long, dougie? How about for the
next year or two?

I'm up for it if you are. I can do this as long as you want.

OK, maybe you two are but maybe the rest of us aren't. I am sure there
are a whole lot of people who might prefer it if you didn't go to war.

Thanks a heap, Paul -- if you hadn't quoted this, I wouldn't have seen it.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

Get a copy of my NEW AND IMPROVED TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter
by sending email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
You must use your REAL email address to get a response.

See, Dougie. sometimes filtering out your enemies puts you
at risk. you never know what they are doing behind your
back. Next thing you know I might call you names!! oh, no!
not THAT! You aren't gonna take any vacations this summer
are you? I'm here for YOU!

dave

Doug Miller wrote:

In article
rs.com,
Paul Kierstead wrote:

In article
,
miller doug wrote:


wanna play games all day long, dougie? How about for the
next year or two?

I'm up for it if you are. I can do this as long as you
want.

OK, maybe you two are but maybe the rest of us aren't. I
am sure there
are a whole lot of people who might prefer it if you
didn't go to war.


Thanks a heap, Paul -- if you hadn't quoted this, I
wouldn't have seen it.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

Get a copy of my NEW AND IMPROVED TrollFilter for
NewsProxy/Nfilter
by sending email to autoresponder at
filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
You must use your REAL email address to get a response.




Doug Miller wrote:

In article rs.com, Paul Kierstead wrote:

In article ,
miller doug wrote:


wanna play games all day long, dougie? How about for the
next year or two?

I'm up for it if you are. I can do this as long as you want.

OK, maybe you two are but maybe the rest of us aren't. I am sure there
are a whole lot of people who might prefer it if you didn't go to war.


Thanks a heap, Paul -- if you hadn't quoted this, I wouldn't have seen it.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

Get a copy of my NEW AND IMPROVED TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter
by sending email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
You must use your REAL email address to get a response.

stay at the helm so you can protect your fellow miscreants
from terrible me.

dave

Doug Miller wrote:

In article s.com, "David F. Eisan" wrote:

Dear New User,

** Welcome to rec.woodworking, known locally as the wreck **

# pain in the ass troll
#
rec.woodworking Drop


Unfortunately, our resident BAD boy is now posting under a variety of sock
puppets as well as his usual.







to name a few.

I'm working on it, though....

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

Get a copy of my NEW AND IMPROVED TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter
by sending email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
You must use your REAL email address to get a response.

dm wrote:
stay at the helm so you can protect your fellow miscreants
from terrible me.
dave

Dave, I've stood up for you in the past, but htis behavior is over
the top. Stop please.

Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/

wadda think, dougie? is this gonna more of a PITA than
you'd anticipated? hmmm...let's see, I don't curse, I don't
lie about anyone, but I'm so BAAAAD that everyone must be
protected from reading my posts. maybe I should act more
like a miscreant.

dave

Doug Miller wrote:

In article s.com, "David F. Eisan" wrote:

Dear New User,

** Welcome to rec.woodworking, known locally as the wreck **

# pain in the ass troll
#
rec.woodworking Drop


Unfortunately, our resident BAD boy is now posting under a variety of sock
puppets as well as his usual.







to name a few.

I'm working on it, though....

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

Get a copy of my NEW AND IMPROVED TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter
by sending email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
You must use your REAL email address to get a response.

childish dougie wrote:

wadda think, dougie? is this gonna more of a PITA than you'd
anticipated? hmmm...let's see, I don't curse, I don't lie about anyone,
but I'm so BAAAAD that everyone must be protected from reading my
posts. maybe I should act more like a miscreant.

dave


Actually, Son, I open the subject, not the author.

When I see BS posted I simply move onto the next post.

Your no problem.


--

Mark

N.E. Ohio

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice
there is.

Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens, A.K.A.
Mark Twain)

When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the suspense.
(Gaz, r.moto)

I'm only a problem to miscreants.

More quotes??? What's with the propensity on the Wreck for
sig lines with someone else's words??

I hope there won't be a "Confucius Say" contest here...

dave

Mark wrote:


Your no problem.


--

Mark

N.E. Ohio

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in
practice there is.

Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)

When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:32:19 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

# pain in the ass troll
#
rec.woodworking Drop

1. I sort through message headers like i sort through junk mail at
the post office. I hated it at first, and it sort of got to me a bit.
Then I decided to take the easy way: Just sort through it. It takes
just a few moments with practice; not worth the worry.

2. The troll doesn't know or care who you are. He is sick, and needs
help. The best way to deal with him is to completely ignore him aside
form an accidental peek at an anonymous message [mine is so that I
won't get email from those assholes.] Then it's easy to deal with
thatr if you set your newsreader to autosort messages according to
title: See one, and easily delete similar ones since they are sorted
together. if you do it without thinking [don't let it get to you],
you'll find it takes no time to deal with it.

The BEST way to deal with him is to STOP replying to him, or talking
about him. So this is my last message on the subject. He just wants
to get up your skirt, so if you ignore him he'll wither away. He
needs an audience, so why give him what he wants?

So, stop this thread, and others like it. Just deal with it privately
and calmly and stop bitching, and he'll starve. Spend your time
dropping in a few hints instead. I could use some now and then,
having just turned a pile of cherry into matchsticks [I'll deal with
that one.] The best way to push out the weeds is to plant more grass
seed.

OK, I'm done on that topic.

Bill.

In article m, Doug
Miller wrote:

I'm working on it, though...

For now, filtering on a portion of the NNTP-Posting-Host header is
working for me.

djb

not a problem. I can post from elsewhere.

dave

Dave Balderstone wrote:

In article m, Doug
Miller wrote:


I'm working on it, though...


For now, filtering on a portion of the NNTP-Posting-Host header is
working for me.

djb

In article s.com,
"David F. Eisan" wrote:

**** Filtering with Extreme Prejudice ****
Things have got out of hand on the wreck with a few morons posting through
Google. As such, I have decided to remove all posts from Google.com. This is
an extreme measure and decide for yourself if you want to add the following
line to your Nfilter.dat rules.
rec.woodworking drop

I would also like to point out that many people use google as they are
unable to post via conventional means due to their workplace not
carrying or allowing a usenet feed.

I have also received some good advice from people posting from google.

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:53:38 GMT, Paul Kierstead wrote:
In article s.com,
"David F. Eisan" wrote:

**** Filtering with Extreme Prejudice ****
Things have got out of hand on the wreck with a few morons posting through
Google. As such, I have decided to remove all posts from Google.com. This is
an extreme measure and decide for yourself if you want to add the following
line to your Nfilter.dat rules.
rec.woodworking drop

I would also like to point out that many people use google as they are
unable to post via conventional means due to their workplace not
carrying or allowing a usenet feed.

He's not saying he's doing it for _you_, he's doing it for himself and
providing an example killfile syntax.

I have also received some good advice from people posting from google.

He can't remove them from all usenet servers around the world, he's just
modifying what he displays for himself.

Dave Hinz

In article ,
Dave Hinz wrote:

I would also like to point out that many people use google as they are
unable to post via conventional means due to their workplace not
carrying or allowing a usenet feed.

He's not saying he's doing it for _you_, he's doing it for himself and
providing an example killfile syntax.

I was baffled by this reply for a while. But then it occurred to me that
you think I do not understand it at all. Given the number of people who
don't really understand usenet, I suppose this is fair, but you should
give people a little more credit for thinking.

I didn't say he was doing it for me. Obviously he is not, and cannot.

However, he is a respected poster among many hear and lots of people
will use his recommendation; after all, it is a recommendation (albiet
with a caveat emptor). I was pointing out that there are valid uses to
using google to post in way of providing a counterpoint.

I have also received some good advice from people posting from google.

He can't remove them from all usenet servers around the world, he's just
modifying what he displays for himself.

He is also recommending it. The FAQ is good, I just take issue with that
recommendation. If good posters get blocked, the trolls have won.

And you should give people more credit and not assume they are
completely ignorant.

PK

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:26:26 GMT, Paul Kierstead wrote:
In article ,
Dave Hinz wrote:

He's not saying he's doing it for _you_, he's doing it for himself and
providing an example killfile syntax.

I was baffled by this reply for a while. But then it occurred to me that
you think I do not understand it at all. Given the number of people who
don't really understand usenet, I suppose this is fair, but you should
give people a little more credit for thinking.

There are many people who don't understand how Usenet's internals
work, and your question apparently can be interpreted at least
two ways.

I didn't say he was doing it for me. Obviously he is not, and cannot.

Actually he could, but it's complicated and not reliable, depending on
many things.

However, he is a respected poster among many hear and lots of people
will use his recommendation; after all, it is a recommendation (albiet
with a caveat emptor). I was pointing out that there are valid uses to
using google to post in way of providing a counterpoint.

OK.

I have also received some good advice from people posting from google.

He can't remove them from all usenet servers around the world, he's just
modifying what he displays for himself.

He is also recommending it. The FAQ is good, I just take issue with that
recommendation. If good posters get blocked, the trolls have won.
And you should give people more credit and not assume they are
completely ignorant.

Why take an attitude with me? I saw a statement from you which I
(and apparently others) interpreted in a way you did not intend,
and I responded according to what I thought you were asking.

One goal of a troll is to get the legitimate posters fighting
with each other. I'm not going to feed it by doing so.
My email address works if you'd like to take it there.

Dave Hinz

In article ,
Dave Hinz wrote:

I didn't say he was doing it for me. Obviously he is not, and cannot.

Actually he could, but it's complicated and not reliable, depending on
many things.

Sigh. I was just trying not to be overly pedantic. Anyway, yes it is
possible, but I doubt the OP could accomplish it since it requires a
huge amount of support, politically. About the only thing to get through
now-a-days is the odd UDP, and they are rare.

Why take an attitude with me? I saw a statement from you which I
(and apparently others) interpreted in a way you did not intend,
and I responded according to what I thought you were asking.

Ok, point taken. I was a little irritated I haven't seen any other
replies to my post from others as of yet (and who knows, may not ever
see).

I'm not looking for a flame war. The day I have to "take it to email"
is the day I go off the net for a while and re-examine my priorities and
attitude.

PK

Yep, you would stop me from f*****g off for twenty minutes a day at
work. I need that break time. :-)

Joe



I would also like to point out that many people use google as they are
unable to post via conventional means due to their workplace not
carrying or allowing a usenet feed.

I have also received some good advice from people posting from google.

don't you just love it when a group of miscreants get
together to intrude on YOUR freedoms???

dave

BIG JOE wrote:

Yep, you would stop me from f*****g off for twenty minutes a day at
work. I need that break time. :-)

Joe



I would also like to point out that many people use google as they are
unable to post via conventional means due to their workplace not
carrying or allowing a usenet feed.

I have also received some good advice from people posting from google.

in fact, look what I've had to resort to in order to have my
voice heard...

dave

BIG JOE wrote:

Yep, you would stop me from f*****g off for twenty minutes a day at
work. I need that break time. :-)

Joe



I would also like to point out that many people use google as they are
unable to post via conventional means due to their workplace not
carrying or allowing a usenet feed.

I have also received some good advice from people posting from google.

let's try this again...

dave

BIG JOE wrote:

Yep, you would stop me from f*****g off for twenty minutes a day at
work. I need that break time. :-)

Joe



I would also like to point out that many people use google as they are
unable to post via conventional means due to their workplace not
carrying or allowing a usenet feed.

I have also received some good advice from people posting from google.