I always liked working in different materials. So far, the customer
likes what she sees in this rendering.
I'm kinda happy with it even though it was a bear to render.

I thought, I'd share. Tell me what you think.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...toy/217Kit.jpg

On Apr 7, 12:33 pm, "Robatoy" wrote:
I always liked working in different materials. So far, the customer
likes what she sees in this rendering.
I'm kinda happy with it even though it was a bear to render.

I thought, I'd share. Tell me what you think.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...toy/217Kit.jpg

It's a pretty picture. Will any hood be provided for the cooktop?

On Apr 7, 1:40 pm, "lwhaley" wrote:
On Apr 7, 12:33 pm, "Robatoy" wrote:

I always liked working in different materials. So far, the customer
likes what she sees in this rendering.
I'm kinda happy with it even though it was a bear to render.

I thought, I'd share. Tell me what you think.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...toy/217Kit.jpg

It's a pretty picture. Will any hood be provided for the cooktop?

Yes, there will be a hood. As soon as the customer decides which one
she likes, I will draw one up similar to her choice. There sure is a
lot of variety in those hoods these days...mucho bucks too!

On Apr 7, 2:46 pm, "Swingman" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message
I always liked working in different materials. So far, the customer
likes what she sees in this rendering.
I'm kinda happy with it even though it was a bear to render.

I thought, I'd share. Tell me what you think.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...toy/217Kit.jpg

I like! ... considering how I've been sitting here all day doing the same
thing for a new kitchen that I need to get started on, only in lowly 2D. I
envy you your Mac CAD tools.

Hey now... it is not the tools or the quality of the tools....*coughs*
If I was any good, I could do this in MS Paint..lol.
Seriously, on the other side of that argument, Robert Cray would sound
good on a dime-store guitar.

I use the exported CAD components in StrataCX for texturing and
rendering.
I don't think any single program would handle this.
Did you know my Mac also boots in XP?...if I want it to? It's all
Intel now.
This is not in emulation, I am saying 'boots' in Windows..can't tell
it from a PC..'cuz it is a PC then.
It's the way to go...two boxes in one. depending whether you hold the
Option button during start-up or not.
And price-wise, by the time you load up a Windows box with the same
sound and video features, you're talking the same money as a Mac.
Seriously.
I NEVAR go on line in Windows mode..too dangerous. Besides, I find XP
pretty solid. There's not nearly the difference between XP and MacOS
that there used to be in days of yore. So it is easy for Windows users
to come on over to the 'good' side.
*snickers* (We Mac users can be such smug assholes.) When I was
president of a mac user group here in Sarnia, I changed the name to
Sarnia Mac Users Group..SMUG...you got it...lol.

It's a bit too cool to be out in the shop today ... damn hard to believe
it's April in Houston.

I have yet to go out to a customer to hook up their sink. I installed
the counter yesterday and ran out of steam at about 6 PM and said
'fukkit' and went home. Now I can't get motivated because IT IS
FRIKKIN' SNOWING!!!!

r---- she has a cheque for me...I better clear off the
van....dammit...

I thought, I'd share. Tell me what you think.

I think I like it, but it's unique enough that I haven't decided for
sure. It doesn't jump out and grab me one way or the other.
I know the first thing LOML would say - "That'd be a pain to keep
clean!" Will your customer have children or grandchildren in the
house? I foresee lots of fingerprints on those nice shiny panels...
Andy

On Apr 7, 2:11 pm, "Andy" wrote:
I thought, I'd share. Tell me what you think.

I think I like it, but it's unique enough that I haven't decided for
sure. It doesn't jump out and grab me one way or the other.
I know the first thing LOML would say - "That'd be a pain to keep
clean!" Will your customer have children or grandchildren in the
house? I foresee lots of fingerprints on those nice shiny panels...
Andy

This lady doesn't clean. Her staff does though.
It's not exactly my taste either. I'm far more traditional that this.
This reminds me of Hugh Heffner somehow.
In many ways, this is straight out of the 50's
BTW, those nice shiny panels will be sandblasted (inside), tempered
glass.

Swingman wrote:

It's a bit too cool to be out in the shop today ... damn hard to believe
it's April in Houston.


In the 40's at Augusta, even here in SoCal, will be lucky to have the
fog clear enough to reach the mid 60's.

Not condusive to applying finish outside today.

Lew

"Robatoy" wrote in message
I always liked working in different materials. So far, the customer
likes what she sees in this rendering.
I'm kinda happy with it even though it was a bear to render.

I thought, I'd share. Tell me what you think.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...toy/217Kit.jpg

I like! ... considering how I've been sitting here all day doing the same
thing for a new kitchen that I need to get started on, only in lowly 2D. I
envy you your Mac CAD tools.

It's a bit too cool to be out in the shop today ... damn hard to believe
it's April in Houston.

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Last update: 2/20/07

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
link.net...
Swingman wrote:

It's a bit too cool to be out in the shop today ... damn hard to believe
it's April in Houston.


In the 40's at Augusta, even here in SoCal, will be lucky to have the fog
clear enough to reach the mid 60's.

Not condusive to applying finish outside today.

Lew

At almost 2:00pm in SW Houston it is 43 degrees.

BTW, those nice shiny panels will be sandblasted (inside), tempered
glass.

In that case, I think I would like it. I was assuming from the
rendering that the panels were polished brass or something like that.
Keep up the good work,
Andy

Rob, I think you sell yourself short. After goofing with those
programs off and on, I found that rendering something like that can be
a complete project in itself.

While no doubt an invaluable visual aid and sales tool, at this point
the learning curve to produce a rendering of that quality is more of
an investment than I am willing to make. To me, that quality of
rendering is becoming a whole different craft in itself. Nicely
done.

*snickers* (We Mac users can be such smug assholes.) When I was president of a mac user group here in Sarnia, I changed the name to Sarnia Mac Users Group..SMUG...you got it...lol.

So are you saying that the computer was the reason for that
personality triat? Are you sure it is computer related?

JUST KIDDING!!!

Well, it's 37 degrees here in San Antonio now with constant light
showers. Having recently rediscovered my love of woodturning I was
hoping to spend the day at the lathe today. No way - my knees hate me
now, and a day exposed to cold wet weather standing on concrete makes
a lot more than just the knees hurt.

I'm getting a bad case of distemper brewing over here.

Robert

Rick (excitedly waving his arms in the air) ... I know, I know!


The kitchen in the Restaurant At The End of The Universe.


Actually Rob ... that looks cool. Not exactly to my taste (too large to fit
into our modest kitchen) but an interesting design.

Regards,

Rick




"Robatoy" wrote
I always liked working in different materials. So far, the customer
likes what she sees in this rendering.
I'm kinda happy with it even though it was a bear to render.

I thought, I'd share. Tell me what you think.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...toy/217Kit.jpg

On 7 Apr 2007 10:33:29 -0700, "Robatoy" wrote:

I thought, I'd share. Tell me what you think.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...toy/217Kit.jpg


I'm imagining some of the finer details (like what I can see past the
low end of the kitchen), but I think it's really cool.

I really like the white & brass against the figured mahogany colored
cabinets. This reminds me of something I might see on a brand new,
ultra-rich yacht or aircraft (in smaller setup). Totally stylish!

I'm taking the lower cabinets to also be glass faced?

On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:04:27 GMT, B A R R Y
wrote:

On 7 Apr 2007 10:33:29 -0700, "Robatoy" wrote:

I thought, I'd share. Tell me what you think.

BTW. You know we're now going to need to see some photos of the
actual completed job, right? G

"Robatoy" wrote

I use the exported CAD components in StrataCX for texturing and
rendering.
I don't think any single program would handle this.
Did you know my Mac also boots in XP?...if I want it to? It's all
Intel now.

TurboCad Professional will allow you to design in 3D and then render in
hidden line, draft and quality rendering. You choose your materials, choose
the finish (ie reflectivity, % opacity), choose the light source(s), and so
on. TurboCad has gotten a bit more expensive over the years, but the
features make it worthwhile if you need to perform 2D and 3D operations.

Not sure, but I think you can get a 30-day trial of turbocad to try ...
you'll have to check the web site.

Regards,

Rick

On Apr 7, 6:08 pm, B A R R Y wrote:
On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:04:27 GMT, B A R R Y
wrote:

On 7 Apr 2007 10:33:29 -0700, "Robatoy" wrote:

I thought, I'd share. Tell me what you think.

BTW. You know we're now going to need to see some photos of the
actual completed job, right? G

For shure. I know that I am nowhere near getting a final approval from
her. I am, however, impressing her with the speed of the design
changes as she tables them. That 'wood'work, is going to be laminate.
She has the entire chain-set of samples from Wilsonart, Arborite,
Formica, Nevamar and a couple of others. She loves the frosted glass
idea..and I have yet to tell her that she can dial the amount of frost
she'd like.
When she approves a design, I will save a rendring and try to over-lap
it with an actual picture. I can mark a position and altitude of a
virtual camera. The focal length metaphor is awkward as lens lengths
are now all screwy with the digital cameras and my settings are all
based on a 24 x 36 mm frame... but I should be able to fake it.

wrote:
Rob, I think you sell yourself short. After goofing with those
programs off and on, I found that rendering something like that can be
a complete project in itself.

While no doubt an invaluable visual aid and sales tool, at this point
the learning curve to produce a rendering of that quality is more of
an investment than I am willing to make. To me, that quality of
rendering is becoming a whole different craft in itself. Nicely
done.

*snickers* (We Mac users can be such smug assholes.) When I was president of a mac user group here in Sarnia, I changed the name to Sarnia Mac Users Group..SMUG...you got it...lol.

So are you saying that the computer was the reason for that
personality triat? Are you sure it is computer related?

JUST KIDDING!!!

Well, it's 37 degrees here in San Antonio now with constant light
showers. Having recently rediscovered my love of woodturning I was
hoping to spend the day at the lathe today. No way - my knees hate me
now, and a day exposed to cold wet weather standing on concrete makes
a lot more than just the knees hurt.

I'm getting a bad case of distemper brewing over here.

Robert

Frequent heavy snows here in Detroit today ... with melting in between.

Bill

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On Apr 7, 6:09 pm, "Rick M"
wrote:


TurboCad Professional will allow you to design in 3D and then render in
hidden line, draft and quality rendering. You choose your materials, choose
the finish (ie reflectivity, % opacity), choose the light source(s), and so
on. TurboCad has gotten a bit more expensive over the years, but the
features make it worthwhile if you need to perform 2D and 3D operations.

Not sure, but I think you can get a 30-day trial of turbocad to try ...
you'll have to check the web site.

I was looking at TCPro some time ago. There are mac versions which I
will try.
Vectorworks and Strata are second nature to me as I have been with
those two companies since their beginning.
I tend to create models the same way as I build them RT which make
them a bit bulky.
My 5 piece door symbols, for instance, are parametric. As I stretch
them to a certain dimension, the rail and stile widths stay
constrained. I put a lot of time into the learning curve(s)
The rendering engine is simple. Slap on some paint, hang a couple of
bulbs and flip a switch....

Building models is very therapeutic for me. The hardware is becoming
affordable so that models can become more true to the real world. I am
working on a model of a Gibson Les Paul and I can finally entertain
the idea that I can create a helix for a wound string without breaking
the RAM bank at render time.

The CNC thing is still on the horizon as well. Right now I am dealing
with 2 86-year old parents and Angela is finishing up another batch of
credits towards her being able to hang her own shingle. All that will
come to a head in the next couple of years. Meanwhile, I am doing my
part to stay sane. *EG*

Life has become a lot easier now that I know that the answer is 42.

always good to hear from you

r

Rick M wrote:
Rick (excitedly waving his arms in the air) ... I know, I know!


The kitchen in the Restaurant At The End of The Universe.


Actually Rob ... that looks cool. Not exactly to my taste (too large to fit
into our modest kitchen) but an interesting design.

Regards,

Rick




"Robatoy" wrote
I always liked working in different materials. So far, the customer
likes what she sees in this rendering.
I'm kinda happy with it even though it was a bear to render.

I thought, I'd share. Tell me what you think.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...toy/217Kit.jpg



ROFLOL!!!!!!!! That kitchen wouldn't fit in my HOUSE! ;-)))))))))

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"Robatoy" wrote in message
BTW, those nice shiny panels will be sandblasted (inside), tempered
glass.


That was the only complaint I'd have. Damned if I want to worry about how
neatly the dishes were stacked behind closed doors. Kitchens are supposed
to be used, not showrooms for the China. Ooooops, what am I thinking.
Kitchens are status symbols for people that never cook.

Not my style, but if you like modern, it is very nice.

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:08:01 -0600, Robatoy wrote
(in article .com):

I run Parallels at work for some windows apps that I need but don't want to
deal with another box near the desk. The current version lets you run windows
apps in a floating window, basically seamless integration into the desktop.
The only way you know it's a windows window is the bulbous cartoon buttons in
the corners 8^).
It beats rebooting hands down, especially when the IT guys want us to reboot
every week for some silly update.
It still doesn't support video well enough for high frame rates but it
otherwise rocks!

-Bruce


..

I use the exported CAD components in StrataCX for texturing and
rendering.
I don't think any single program would handle this.
Did you know my Mac also boots in XP?...if I want it to? It's all
Intel now.
This is not in emulation, I am saying 'boots' in Windows..can't tell
it from a PC..'cuz it is a PC then.
It's the way to go...two boxes in one. depending whether you hold the
Option button during start-up or not.
And price-wise, by the time you load up a Windows box with the same
sound and video features, you're talking the same money as a Mac.
Seriously.
I NEVAR go on line in Windows mode..too dangerous. Besides, I find XP
pretty solid. There's not nearly the difference between XP and MacOS
that there used to be in days of yore. So it is easy for Windows users
to come on over to the 'good' side.
*snickers* (We Mac users can be such smug assholes.) When I was
president of a mac user group here in Sarnia, I changed the name to
Sarnia Mac Users Group..SMUG...you got it...lol.

On Apr 8, 10:37 am, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:08:01 -0600, Robatoy wrote
(in article .com):

I run Parallels at work for some windows apps that I need [snipped for brevity]

All that is supposed to be handled in Leopard..and the OS will also be
a full 64 bit.
I have heard good things about Parallels. I used Bootcamp.

r

Yes, you can get the trial but it is version 12, which is so full of bugs
you need an industrial size can of raid to go with it. Last version that was
any good was 11.2. That's what I continue to use despite having bought 12.
After several patches they have still failed to fix it. They have since
given up and now want everyone to buy the new version. To see what it is
capable of, go he http://www.turbocad.com/examples.asp

"Rick M" wrote in message
...

"Robatoy" wrote

I use the exported CAD components in StrataCX for texturing and
rendering.
I don't think any single program would handle this.
Did you know my Mac also boots in XP?...if I want it to? It's all
Intel now.

TurboCad Professional will allow you to design in 3D and then render in
hidden line, draft and quality rendering. You choose your materials,
choose
the finish (ie reflectivity, % opacity), choose the light source(s), and
so
on. TurboCad has gotten a bit more expensive over the years, but the
features make it worthwhile if you need to perform 2D and 3D operations.

Not sure, but I think you can get a 30-day trial of turbocad to try ...
you'll have to check the web site.

Regards,

Rick

Be aware that Turbocad for the Mac is not Turbocad at all. IMSI bought the
program and put their name on it. It is no where near the program the PC
version is.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 7, 6:09 pm, "Rick M"
wrote:


TurboCad Professional will allow you to design in 3D and then render in
hidden line, draft and quality rendering. You choose your materials,
choose
the finish (ie reflectivity, % opacity), choose the light source(s), and
so
on. TurboCad has gotten a bit more expensive over the years, but the
features make it worthwhile if you need to perform 2D and 3D operations.

Not sure, but I think you can get a 30-day trial of turbocad to try ...
you'll have to check the web site.

I was looking at TCPro some time ago. There are mac versions which I
will try.
Vectorworks and Strata are second nature to me as I have been with
those two companies since their beginning.
I tend to create models the same way as I build them RT which make
them a bit bulky.
My 5 piece door symbols, for instance, are parametric. As I stretch
them to a certain dimension, the rail and stile widths stay
constrained. I put a lot of time into the learning curve(s)
The rendering engine is simple. Slap on some paint, hang a couple of
bulbs and flip a switch....

Building models is very therapeutic for me. The hardware is becoming
affordable so that models can become more true to the real world. I am
working on a model of a Gibson Les Paul and I can finally entertain
the idea that I can create a helix for a wound string without breaking
the RAM bank at render time.

The CNC thing is still on the horizon as well. Right now I am dealing
with 2 86-year old parents and Angela is finishing up another batch of
credits towards her being able to hang her own shingle. All that will
come to a head in the next couple of years. Meanwhile, I am doing my
part to stay sane. *EG*

Life has become a lot easier now that I know that the answer is 42.

always good to hear from you

r

On Apr 8, 7:08 pm, "CW" wrote:
Be aware that Turbocad for the Mac is not Turbocad at all. IMSI bought the
program and put their name on it. It is no where near the program the PC
version is.

I did download the trial of "Pro". It is a toy.
But I think you just cleared up the reason why the PC version is more
than 3 times the price of the 'Pro' version for the Mac.
I appreciate the heads-up though.

r

In article .com,
Robatoy wrote:

I always liked working in different materials. So far, the customer
likes what she sees in this rendering.
I'm kinda happy with it even though it was a bear to render.

I thought, I'd share. Tell me what you think.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...toy/217Kit.jpg


Why interrupt that lovely countertop with the fridge?

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