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Hi All,
So starting to plan another large cast iron purchase, and thought I would pole the group for thoughts. I am thinking of replacing my Grizzly G0555 14" Bandsaw. There are a couple reasons for this. I have been less than satisfied with the purchase since uncrating and setting the guy up. It works well, but for a decent amount of my needs it feels somewhat wimpy. I have a bunch of 8/4 african hardwoods that I attempt to book match in virtually every project. I have found this saw to be less than ideal for this use. I realize I am asking alot of the saw, and it might not be fair to judge it harshly for this failing, but I would like something better. It doesn't seem like I can get the blade tension tight enough using even 1/2" blades, let alone 3/4" which the saw is rated for. This seems to cause some great degree of wander in the blade tracking when using the wider blades, something I haven't noticed when using thinner blades. It seems to me that even without the riser kit installed there is more flex in the body of the saw than I would expect. The table is small, and the included fence is downright hard to lock in place without feeling like I am torking the table beyond ideal. Alright, so I would like to recoup some of the expense of the saw, and invest in a better one. I primarily use the band saw for resawing, trimming odd little things where I don't want to setup another saw, and to cut curves with a jig. I would like a decent size motor, as large as a table as possible, and a really solid frame. So far looking to spend maybe an additonal 1000, after selling the Grizzly that moves me into about 1300 range. Looking online and some in person the Jet 16" jumps out at me, the Laguna 14LTSE and the 16" are both appealing, and the Delta 18" seems worth looking at. Are there other models I am overlooking? Does anyone have experience with these saws? Also it seems like while the laguna 14LTSE is smaller than the other models I am looking at it, it has all the same features and might have higher quality despite the smaller size. I have found that the blade depth on my Grizzly has never been a problem for me, or at least not one i couldn't work around by using a different tool. Thanks in advance, as any help will be well appreciated Andrew |
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You might also try one of the aftermarket springs sold in catalogs
(woodcraft for example) that allows you to crank up the tension for resawing. Woodcraft also has a number of the high end Delta, Jet, and Powermatic bandsaws for fairly reasonable (for woodcraft) prices. |
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"Tattooed and Dusty" wrote in message
ups.com... Hi All, So starting to plan another large cast iron purchase, and thought I would pole the group for thoughts. I am thinking of replacing my Grizzly G0555 14" Bandsaw. There are a couple reasons for this. I have been less than satisfied with the purchase since uncrating and setting the guy up. It works well, but for a decent amount of my needs it feels somewhat wimpy. I have a bunch of 8/4 african hardwoods that I attempt to book match in virtually every project. I have found this saw to be less than ideal for this use. I realize I am asking alot of the saw, and it might not be fair to judge it harshly for this failing, but I would like something better. It doesn't seem like I can get the blade tension tight enough using even 1/2" blades, let alone 3/4" which the saw is rated for. This seems to cause some great degree of wander in the blade tracking when using the wider blades, something I haven't noticed when using thinner blades. It seems to me that even without the riser kit installed there is more flex in the body of the saw than I would expect. The table is small, and the included fence is downright hard to lock in place without feeling like I am torking the table beyond ideal. Alright, so I would like to recoup some of the expense of the saw, and invest in a better one. I primarily use the band saw for resawing, trimming odd little things where I don't want to setup another saw, and to cut curves with a jig. I would like a decent size motor, as large as a table as possible, and a really solid frame. So far looking to spend maybe an additonal 1000, after selling the Grizzly that moves me into about 1300 range. Looking online and some in person the Jet 16" jumps out at me, the Laguna 14LTSE and the 16" are both appealing, and the Delta 18" seems worth looking at. Are there other models I am overlooking? Does anyone have experience with these saws? Also it seems like while the laguna 14LTSE is smaller than the other models I am looking at it, it has all the same features and might have higher quality despite the smaller size. I have found that the blade depth on my Grizzly has never been a problem for me, or at least not one i couldn't work around by using a different tool. Thanks in advance, as any help will be well appreciated Andrew Andrew What you are trying to do is the same thing as trying to build a house with a tack hammer. I have the G0555 with the riser kit and I just love it. I have done all kinds of resawing on it using Oak, Ash, and Walnut with a 1/2" and 3/4" scilicone steel blade. You should have realized that if you were going to do industrial work you should have bought an industrial type bandsaw. Grizzly has several. --- No, I wouldn't even think of trying to cut any wood that was the consistency of Ironwood or Mesquite on the 555 or even on a comparable Delta saw. |
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Laguna LT14SE. I just got one. Sweet.
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On 7 May 2005 13:57:32 -0700, "Tattooed and Dusty"
wrote: doesn't seem like I can get the blade tension tight enough using even 1/2" blades, let alone 3/4" which the saw is rated for. I've never seen a 14" machine that could really use 3/4" blades. Since I found a supplier who could put big teeth on a narrow band, I've not used anything more than 3/8" wide, even for resawing, and I get much better results. You can also address the lack of tension problems with a better spring for higher tension (or at least better stability at the same tension) and a blade that's happier at lower tensions. There's a lot you can do yet to make a 14" machine perform. |
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The Laguna LT14SE can take a 1 inch blade.
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On 7 May 2005 15:25:58 -0700, "Never Enough Money"
wrote: The Laguna LT14SE can take a 1 inch blade. You mean it will fit. I doubt very much if it will do anything useful with it. (If that's the same 14" Laguna we have round here, it certainly won't) |
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On Sat, 07 May 2005 22:50:58 +0100, Andy Dingley
wrote: I've never seen a 14" machine that could really use 3/4" blades. Since I found a supplier who could put big teeth on a narrow band, I've not used anything more than 3/8" wide, even for resawing, and I get much better results. Howdy, Perhaps I am missing something here (Hey, it wouldn't be the first time...) but, my Hitachi 14 1/2" bandsaw happily uses a 3" blade for resawing. All the best, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." |
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Joe
Thanks for the comments. I am not saying anything is wrong with the G0555. I am saying it doesn't do what I want it to. I didn't have the 8/4 Mubangu when I purchased the saw, and other than a couple little things it performed alright initially for my needs. I was attempting to convey the uses I have for the replacement, didn't mean to insult anyones love of Grizzly. I knew when purchasing the G0555 it wouldn't be able to handle a 3/4" blade, but even the half seems to be pushing its capabilities. The Laguna LT14SE has a welded steel frame rather than a cast iron frame. This makes its appearance, and I would assume its performance much more like the 16" and larger Jet and Delta machines. Never enough money, Any other details about the laguna than sweet? Is there anything about it you don't seem to like? Have you dealt with their customer service? Any other info would be much appreciated. Andrew |
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Andrew, I'm actually exaggerating the truth. I don't actually get my
Laguna till next week. Laguna sent me an e-mail saying it has arrived from Europe and will be shipped next week. I have seen it demo'ed at the Denver Woodworking show. It is sweet because it is so strudy, accepts a 1 inch blade, has a nice fence, the blade is pretty easy to change, and the dust port is positioned in a nice place. The fit and finish is a grade above the other 14" bandsaws, IMO. The Laguna resaw king blade gets high ratings in everything I've read, too. I also bought the cabinet stand and the mobility unit. The mobility unit has a nice handle that allows you to pull/push is like a childs wagon. |
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![]() "Tattooed and Dusty" wrote in message oups.com... Joe Thanks for the comments. I am not saying anything is wrong with the G0555. I am saying it doesn't do what I want it to. I didn't have the 8/4 Mubangu when I purchased the saw, and other than a couple little things it performed alright initially for my needs. I was attempting to convey the uses I have for the replacement, didn't mean to insult anyones love of Grizzly. I knew when purchasing the G0555 it wouldn't be able to handle a 3/4" blade, but even the half seems to be pushing its capabilities. The Laguna LT14SE has a welded steel frame rather than a cast iron frame. This makes its appearance, and I would assume its performance much more like the 16" and larger Jet and Delta machines. Never enough money, Any other details about the laguna than sweet? Is there anything about it you don't seem to like? Have you dealt with their customer service? Any other info would be much appreciated. Andrew This is from the Grizzly site for the 0555 14" version: a.. Blade size: 92 1/2 - 93-1/2" (1/8" to 3/4" wide) If you install the extension on the saw it takes a 105" blade. |
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Sorry for the duplicate posting. Don't know what happened.
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Thanks again Joe.
What is the sense in replying to posts with absolute non-sense? Do you get something out of it? |
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How long between ordering and delivery? I guess I hadn't looking into
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Just a thought but if the model you have suits most of your needs wouldn't
it be easier to have someone else cut it and perhaps pay them rather than pumping many hundred dollars more in a tool that does something you only need once in a while? |
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Andy Dingley writes:
I've never seen a 14" machine that could really use 3/4" blades. My Jet JWB14SDX with a Riser seems to handle one. I have a low-tension PS Wood 3/4" blade. -- Sending unsolicited commercial e-mail to this account incurs a fee of $500 per message, and acknowledges the legality of this contract. |
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Tattooed and Dusty wrote:
Hi All, So starting to plan another large cast iron purchase, and thought I would pole the group for thoughts. I am thinking of replacing my Grizzly G0555 14" Bandsaw. There are a couple reasons for this. I have been less than satisfied with the purchase since uncrating and setting the guy up. It works well, but for a decent amount of my needs it feels somewhat wimpy. I have a bunch of 8/4 african hardwoods that I attempt to book match in virtually every project. I have found this saw to be less than ideal for this use. I realize I am asking alot of the saw, and it might not be fair to judge it harshly for this failing, but I would like something better. It doesn't seem like I can get the blade tension tight enough using even 1/2" blades, let alone 3/4" which the saw is rated for. This seems to cause some great degree of wander in the blade tracking when using the wider blades, something I haven't noticed when using thinner blades. It seems to me that even without the riser kit installed there is more flex in the body of the saw than I would expect. The table is small, and the included fence is downright hard to lock in place without feeling like I am torking the table beyond ideal. Alright, so I would like to recoup some of the expense of the saw, and invest in a better one. I primarily use the band saw for resawing, trimming odd little things where I don't want to setup another saw, and to cut curves with a jig. I would like a decent size motor, as large as a table as possible, and a really solid frame. So far looking to spend maybe an additonal 1000, after selling the Grizzly that moves me into about 1300 range. Looking online and some in person the Jet 16" jumps out at me, the Laguna 14LTSE and the 16" are both appealing, and the Delta 18" seems worth looking at. Are there other models I am overlooking? Does anyone have experience with these saws? Also it seems like while the laguna 14LTSE is smaller than the other models I am looking at it, it has all the same features and might have higher quality despite the smaller size. I have found that the blade depth on my Grizzly has never been a problem for me, or at least not one i couldn't work around by using a different tool. Thanks in advance, as any help will be well appreciated Andrew I just bought a 40 year old Delta 20" with variable speed gear box because my old 12" didn't have the jam for resawing. This baby will allow me to dial in speeds from around 350 fpm to 5000. I would recommend keeping your eyes open for some of the older used equiment. The comparable saw to what I bought runs about $7,000 CDN up here, I paid 1,500 with extra blades and blade welder. I had to spend about 300 on some Carter guides but I've been resawing Jatoba, Wenge, Maple and various other hardwoods up to about 10" and haven't had a burp. Needless to say I'm pretty happy. JC |
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Having someone else do it is always a good idea, but I rather like
being able to be as self sufficient as possible. I am supporting myself with this work, so I have the capital to invest in new hardware at least occasionally. I have also found that while the G0555 works well enough for most tasks, and fails only occasionally to get the job done. I feel a more stable heavy duty unit would be better all around. Andrew |
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![]() "Bruce Barnett" wrote in message ... Andy Dingley writes: I've never seen a 14" machine that could really use 3/4" blades. My Jet JWB14SDX with a Riser seems to handle one. I have a low-tension PS Wood 3/4" blade. Have you done any comparison with a 1/2" blade? People more experience that I am has said the 1/2" actually gives a better cut with less resistance on a 1`4" saw. That is the only one I've tried so far so I don't know if it makes a difference. |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in
: "Bruce Barnett" wrote in message ... Andy Dingley writes: I've never seen a 14" machine that could really use 3/4" blades. My Jet JWB14SDX with a Riser seems to handle one. I have a low-tension PS Wood 3/4" blade. Have you done any comparison with a 1/2" blade? People more experience that I am has said the 1/2" actually gives a better cut with less resistance on a 1`4" saw. That is the only one I've tried so far so I don't know if it makes a difference. Wasn't that the gist of the Michael Fortune article on bandsawing in a recent FWW? I saw him give a presentation on inlay technique at the recent wood show, and he seemed pretty lucid, in spite of having recently authored an article which went against all conventional wisdom on veneer cutting. Every once in a while, someone comes along with a new thought, and I have to start thinking all over again. ;-) Patriarch |
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"Tattooed and Dusty" wrote in
oups.com: Having someone else do it is always a good idea, but I rather like being able to be as self sufficient as possible. I am supporting myself with this work, so I have the capital to invest in new hardware at least occasionally. I have also found that while the G0555 works well enough for most tasks, and fails only occasionally to get the job done. I feel a more stable heavy duty unit would be better all around. Andrew If used has an appeal to you, there are always a bunch of experts hanging out over at owwm.com. One of them, a member of our local club, sold me a really sweet old longbed 8" made-in-Milwaukee Delta jointer last week. Completely rebuilt, at about half of what the new X5 is going for. He has a vintage Delta 20" bs in his shop, awaiting its turn. If only I had space... Patriarch |
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Sometimes used has appeal, though I must admit buying used usually
means a lag in the work time before running. As I am starting going on making custom furniture that usually isn't ideal. I have also regretted the last two used equipment purchases, though I learned from both of them. I feel somewhat lost as to the comments about 1/2" thick blades. In my initial post I mention I have been disapointed with the performance using a 1/2" blade. When purchased I was under the assumption that a 3/4" blade wouldn't work all that well for resawing with a 14" bandsaw, and to use a 1/2'. Am I missing something here? Thanks again for the comments that I can understand Andrew |
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In article . com,
"Tattooed and Dusty" wrote: So starting to plan another large cast iron purchase, and thought I would pole the group for thoughts. OUCH! Hey buddy I think you're looking for the alt.rec.abughraib newsgroup. -- Owen Lowe The Fly-by-Night Copper Company __________ "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Corporate States of America and to the Republicans for which it stands, one nation, under debt, easily divisible, with liberty and justice for oil." - Wiley Miller, Non Sequitur, 1/24/05 |
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On 7 May 2005 13:57:32 -0700, "Tattooed and Dusty"
wrote: Have you tuned the saw? Are you pushing too hard? if you have a LOT of work, then spend the money even with inadequate tnesion, it's possible to get a good cut Try a narrower blade with large teeth. IIRC M Dugi8nske mentions that wider blades can be _harder_ to keep straight Have you bought the best blades? Are they sharp? Is the wander always in one direction for a given blade? If so you need to look at setting up your fence to allow for this. Are you just looking for an excuse to buy another piece of iron? G Hi All, So starting to plan another large cast iron purchase, and thought I would pole the group for thoughts. I am thinking of replacing my Grizzly G0555 14" Bandsaw. There are a couple reasons for this. I have been less than satisfied with the |
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On Sat, 07 May 2005 19:51:57 -0400, Kenneth
wrote: my Hitachi 14 1/2" bandsaw happily uses a 3" blade for resawing. Yes, but that's hardly mainstream is it ? Nor is the frame design quite comparable to the Grizzly et al. |
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![]() "Tattooed and Dusty" wrote in message ups.com... Hi All, So starting to plan another large cast iron purchase, and thought I would pole the group for thoughts. snip Andrew I have a Jet 14", and faced some of the same resaw problems... I went with the Minimax 24" and it came with a 1" carbide tipped blade. (I kept the Jet for smaller detail work) So far I have resawn a cherry panel 36" long and 14" wide (3/4" thick) as well as resawing buttonwood, lacewood and several other species from log to lumber. Some of the pieces look to need only minimal sanding right off the saw! Tom |
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 10:50:02 +0100, Andy Dingley
wrote: On Sat, 07 May 2005 19:51:57 -0400, Kenneth wrote: my Hitachi 14 1/2" bandsaw happily uses a 3" blade for resawing. Yes, but that's hardly mainstream is it ? Nor is the frame design quite comparable to the Grizzly et al. Hello again, I saw no mention of "mainstream" or "frame design." I responded to someone who said that they had never seen a 14" saw that would handle a 3/4" blade. All the best, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." |
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![]() "woodworker88" wrote in message oups.com... You might also try one of the aftermarket springs sold in catalogs (woodcraft for example) that allows you to crank up the tension for resawing. Wouldn't do that, based on several inside looks at Grizz casting and curing. Seemed a weakness throughout the five pieces we bought from them. |
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![]() "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message . .. "Bruce Barnett" wrote in message ... Andy Dingley writes: I've never seen a 14" machine that could really use 3/4" blades. My Jet JWB14SDX with a Riser seems to handle one. I have a low-tension PS Wood 3/4" blade. Have you done any comparison with a 1/2" blade? People more experience that I am has said the 1/2" actually gives a better cut with less resistance on a 1`4" saw. That is the only one I've tried so far so I don't know if it makes a difference. That thin Suffolk 3/4 they market for resawing on a 14" has done a great job for me. I was reluctant, having used 1/2 for years, but the guy said I could send it back for two if it wasn't all he said. Seems to be, though, for Andy's benefit, it measures a touch under 3/4.... |
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 07:28:17 -0400, Kenneth
wrote: they had never seen a 14" saw that would handle a 3/4" blade. Does yours ? I did admire one of these things S/H once, as it was indeed a lovely resaw, but was told that it wasn't possible to run any blade on it other than the enormous resaw blade and so didn't buy it. |
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On Sun, 8 May 2005 08:39:06 -0400, "George" george@least wrote:
for Andy's benefit, it measures a touch under 3/4.... For Andy's benefit, Suffolk could arrange distribution in the UK. I've never seen one of these things for sale. |
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![]() "Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... On Sun, 8 May 2005 08:39:06 -0400, "George" george@least wrote: for Andy's benefit, it measures a touch under 3/4.... For Andy's benefit, Suffolk could arrange distribution in the UK. I've never seen one of these things for sale. http://www.timberwolf1.com/silicon_steel_slection.asp 3/4 3 AS-S Then there's VAT.... |
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Is Suffolk the same outfit that makes Timber Wolf? I believe TW's blades
are called silicone steel blades and are supposed to be the best on the market. I think they cost 2 to 3 times more than the other blades on the market, "Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... On Sun, 8 May 2005 08:39:06 -0400, "George" george@least wrote: for Andy's benefit, it measures a touch under 3/4.... For Andy's benefit, Suffolk could arrange distribution in the UK. I've never seen one of these things for sale. |
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![]() "Joe" wrote in message news:Ovpfe.66064$WI3.17818@attbi_s71... Is Suffolk the same outfit that makes Timber Wolf? I believe TW's blades are called silicone steel blades and are supposed to be the best on the market. I think they cost 2 to 3 times more than the other blades on the market, If you buy direct from Suffolk, they cost less than most. I think Lee Valley also has the under another name but I'm not 100% sure. |
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My Rockwell 14" uses Suffolk Machinery 3/4" as that's what they
recommended. They "allow" PS to sell their low tension blades. On 8 May 2005 02:24:38 GMT, Bruce Barnett wrote: Andy Dingley writes: I've never seen a 14" machine that could really use 3/4" blades. My Jet JWB14SDX with a Riser seems to handle one. I have a low-tension PS Wood 3/4" blade. |
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![]() "Joe" wrote in message news:Ovpfe.66064$WI3.17818@attbi_s71... Is Suffolk the same outfit that makes Timber Wolf? I believe TW's blades are called silicone steel blades and are supposed to be the best on the market. I think they cost 2 to 3 times more than the other blades on the market, Well, yes, than no on both counts. Silicon steel blades by Gschwind group -Suffolk/Timberwolf - are about half again the price of name brands like Olson. Pretty good throughout the line, too. |
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Thanks for the advice guys. I have been using a Timber Wolf blade
purchased at Woodcraft. Lookins around the suffolk site there seems to be a couple maintance things I haven't been taking care of, lubricating the blades, and maybe I can play with the tension some more. In some ways I am looking for the next tool purchase, and for some reason bandsaws are one of my favorite tools. For whatever reason though my Grizzly G0555 doesn't fit the bill as being a favorite tool to use. I will try some of these ideas, and report if there is any improvement. Andrew |
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Tattooed and Dusty wrote:
Hi All, So starting to plan another large cast iron purchase, and thought I would pole the group for thoughts. I am thinking of replacing my Grizzly G0555 14" Bandsaw. There are a couple reasons for this. I have been less than satisfied with the purchase since uncrating and setting the guy up. It works well, but for a decent amount of my needs it feels somewhat wimpy. I have a bunch of 8/4 african hardwoods that I attempt to book match in virtually every project. I have found this saw to be less than ideal for this use. I realize I am asking alot of the saw, and it might not be fair to judge it harshly for this failing, but I would like something better. It doesn't seem like I can get the blade tension tight enough using even 1/2" blades, let alone 3/4" which the saw is rated for. This seems to cause some great degree of wander in the blade tracking when using the wider blades, something I haven't noticed when using thinner blades. It seems to me that even without the riser kit installed there is more flex in the body of the saw than I would expect. The table is small, and the included fence is downright hard to lock in place without feeling like I am torking the table beyond ideal. Alright, so I would like to recoup some of the expense of the saw, and invest in a better one. I primarily use the band saw for resawing, trimming odd little things where I don't want to setup another saw, and to cut curves with a jig. I would like a decent size motor, as large as a table as possible, and a really solid frame. So far looking to spend maybe an additonal 1000, after selling the Grizzly that moves me into about 1300 range. Looking online and some in person the Jet 16" jumps out at me, the Laguna 14LTSE and the 16" are both appealing, and the Delta 18" seems worth looking at. Are there other models I am overlooking? Does anyone have experience with these saws? Also it seems like while the laguna 14LTSE is smaller than the other models I am looking at it, it has all the same features and might have higher quality despite the smaller size. I have found that the blade depth on my Grizzly has never been a problem for me, or at least not one i couldn't work around by using a different tool. Thanks in advance, as any help will be well appreciated Andrew Try looking at the Rikon 18". It got pretty good reviews recently and was rated best buy on machines up to around $2000. Here's one place to look at it.http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/ak/Tools/Power_Tools/Rikon/Band_Saws/Band_Saws_2654/RIK_10_340_Bandsaw_18_2_HP_12_5_Amos_2_Speed_1510_ prod/index.html or http://tinyurl.com/bel5t. here's another http://cwd-web.net/rikon/10-340-18BS.htm Woodcraft carries them, too. Drawback is the 220V setup. I haven't read any negatives about the saw yet. Gary |
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"Tattooed and Dusty" wrote in
oups.com: Sometimes used has appeal, though I must admit buying used usually means a lag in the work time before running. As I am starting going on making custom furniture that usually isn't ideal. I have also regretted the last two used equipment purchases, though I learned from both of them. I feel somewhat lost as to the comments about 1/2" thick blades. In my initial post I mention I have been disapointed with the performance using a 1/2" blade. When purchased I was under the assumption that a 3/4" blade wouldn't work all that well for resawing with a 14" bandsaw, and to use a 1/2'. Am I missing something here? Thanks again for the comments that I can understand I am so far from being a bandsaw expert, but the Michael Fortune article in FWW stirred the pot significantly, in that he was consistently able to get excellent results, without spending serious Euros on a monster Italian made saw. I recommend a trip to the library, if possible. Patriarch |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" writes:
My Jet JWB14SDX with a Riser seems to handle one. I have a low-tension PS Wood 3/4" blade. Have you done any comparison with a 1/2" blade? People more experience that I am has said the 1/2" actually gives a better cut with less resistance on a 1`4" saw. No. I'm not too experienced with it. I've practiced resawing, and done some test cuts, so it seems to work. I'm not sure what I should see if it doesn't work. -- Sending unsolicited commercial e-mail to this account incurs a fee of $500 per message, and acknowledges the legality of this contract. |
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