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We live in a 3 bedroom house-on-a-hill. From the front it looks like a bungalow. Once inside you go downstairs to the bedrooms. The (non combi) boiler is in the garage on the front. The hot water tank is downstairs in the airing cupboard (pumping hot water downstairs against convection, hmm who thought of that one!). There is a header tank in the loft. The CH radiators are all on Microbore pipe. In the 6 months we have lived there the CH top up tank has required about 2-4 litres of water to top it up. We had a combi boiler fitted in our last house (non condensing £1000). Running a bath took long enough to undress our toddler and clean his teeth and get him ready for bed, just about acceptable, certainly not quick. Showers were great with a very good flow and pressure, enough to make you want to stay in there longer. Situation: We want to extend into the loft and so need to lose the header tank. We intend to have a bedroom, nursery and shower room in the loft as well as a sizable landing (there's plenty of space due to the layout of the house). I've been told that microbore pipes and combi boilers don't mix. Is this true? I've also been told that if your system leaks a combi boiler will make it worse because of the pressure. (Remember its needed toping up already!) I would imagine the plumber who fits the new radiators in the loft may want to avoid using microbore and so we would have both standard and microbore radiators. Is this an issue? I have no idea how much it would cost to replace all the existing CH pipes (floor boards not sheets, at least in some rooms, no concrete floors afaict) and radiators (3 bedrooms, kitchen, dining, lounge, hall, lower floor hall, bathroom and washroom (10 rad in total) and whether this would be a better solution than using the existing microbore. There will be a plumber coming in to add new rad.s to the loft anyway. Existing CH and boiler is original fitted in 1992 when house was built. Things never seem to be simple though. ATM my understanding is our DHW comes from the hot water tank in the airing cupboard downstairs (there's also a pressure vessel in there too, not sure what for though). Siting the new boiler in the place of the old bolier in the garage puts it just the other side of the garage wall to the kitchen sink. The exiting bathroom is directly below that and the new shower room will be just above and to the back of the house so the pipe runs to the majority of the taps from the boiler will be short. (Our main gripe with the combi boiler in the old house was that it took ages to get any hot water through and then if you were just rinsing the pots you had to leave the tap running at a fair lick in order for the water not to go cold which it would do if you turned the tap off.) The current hot water pipes from the boiler go to the airing cupboard and the DHW pipes come back from there. It seems silly to send the water half way round the house so we are intending drilling through the garage wall into the space where the washing machine currently is in the kitchen and connecting the DHW feed from the new boiler to the end of those pipes. I'm presuming all the DHW taps are on branches off one run from the exisitng hot water tank so capping of the other end at the hot water tank (with a drain plug) will mean we still get hot water to the all the taps. For the CH we were going to try and locate the existing loop and break into it as close to the new boiler as possible and close the loop in the airing cupboard where the hw tank is. My questions a Does the above sound feasible? (IE are there any glaringly obvious mistakes I've made or things I've overlooked.?) Are there issues with microbore pipes for CH? Can you mix micro bore and standard piping in one CH system? Considering the minimum job for the loft will be addition of 4 radiators, new boiler and the plumbing to (re)move the HW tank from downstairs would replacing our existing 10 radiators on micro bore with new radiators on standard pipe add significantly to the price (+10%?, +50%?, double? triple?)??? Where is a good place to start looking on the net for prices for boilers/rads etc. We will then have the possibility of using 2 showers at the same time (one a floor up from the boiler and one a floor down from the boiler if than makes any difference). I'm presuming some sort of HW storage tank (as opposed to a combi) will be required to allow both to be used together. Is this the case (most "Combi yes/no?" threads so far have only concerned one shower being used. Could a combi and mini tank be used or would the best idea be to go for a mains pressure storage tank solution? As the back half of our garage has been converted to a store room there is not a space issue with putting a hot water tank in there with the boiler but I'd prefer it to be compact as possible. If I was to redo the exising pipes and radiators myself what's the best way of getting the pipes laid when their direction is across the joists? (I want to minimise pulling up the floor. My intention would be to use copper pipes from the radiators into the under floor space and plastic pipes to link these as I've been lead to believe that the plastic pipes are easier to work with. Any comments appreciated. Chris. PS Apologies for the long post (as the bishop said to the actress) |
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