I installed a new bathroom a couple of months ago. 70s bungalow.
Right from the start, I noticed that the WC sometimes required 2
flushes to clear toilet paper. The new WC pan is smaller the old model
and the cistern is smaller.
The WC is now partially blocked, following a toilet paper flush.
Symptoms: The water rises high in the pan, almost to overflow, then
drops slowly to normal volume.
What I've tried:
* Hand round the bend. All clear. Nothing within reach. The bend is
very tight.
* Dump a bucket of water in.
* Use a mop. I get a decent "pop" when I remove the mop but nothing
comes out. Maybe I should persevere?
* Hose pipe. I shoved a length of hose pipe round the bend. It went
about 18 inch then met a solid obstruction. I think the obstruction
was actually the waste pipe, not any compacted toilet paper + waste
(no debris was returned with the hose pipe).

Any ideas? The blockage must be in the WC area, I reckon. Why should
my outside waste suddenly block up?

Thanks
Bruce

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I installed a new bathroom a couple of months ago. 70s bungalow.
Right from the start, I noticed that the WC sometimes required 2
flushes to clear toilet paper. The new WC pan is smaller the old model
and the cistern is smaller.


This house I'm in, when moving in it had one o those continental jobbies
in(all in one very low cistern) and it was doing exactly what you're
describing,after much frustion in clearing blockages I decide to change the
loo and cistern.

That solved it.

Don't know whether thats the case of yours though?

On 16 Jan, 10:47, "George" wrote:
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I installed a new bathroom a couple of months ago. 70s bungalow.
Right from the start, I noticed that the WC sometimes required 2
flushes to clear toilet paper. The new WC pan is smaller the old model
and the cistern is smaller.

This house I'm in, when moving in it had one o those continental jobbies
in(all in one very low cistern) and it was doing exactly what you're
describing,after much frustion in clearing blockages I decide to change the
loo and cistern.

That solved it.

Don't know whether thats the case of yours though?

I suspect it may be a common problem with modern WCs. They are more
compact and have smaller flush volumes.
How I miss my beige coloured 1970s Armitage Shanks WC!
Bruce

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On 16 Jan, 10:47, "George" wrote:
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I installed a new bathroom a couple of months ago. 70s bungalow.
Right from the start, I noticed that the WC sometimes required 2
flushes to clear toilet paper. The new WC pan is smaller the old model
and the cistern is smaller.
This house I'm in, when moving in it had one o those continental jobbies
in(all in one very low cistern) and it was doing exactly what you're
describing,after much frustion in clearing blockages I decide to change the
loo and cistern.

That solved it.

Don't know whether thats the case of yours though?

I suspect it may be a common problem with modern WCs. They are more
compact and have smaller flush volumes.
How I miss my beige coloured 1970s Armitage Shanks WC!
Bruce
Shove some caustic down it.

On 16 Jan, 11:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
wrote:
On 16 Jan, 10:47, "George" wrote:
wrote in message

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I installed a new bathroom a couple of months ago. 70s bungalow.
Right from the start, I noticed that the WC sometimes required 2
flushes to clear toilet paper. The new WC pan is smaller the old model
and the cistern is smaller.
This house I'm in, when moving in it had one o those continental jobbies
in(all in one very low cistern) and it was doing exactly what you're
describing,after much frustion in clearing blockages I decide to change the
loo and cistern.

That solved it.

Don't know whether thats the case of yours though?

I suspect it may be a common problem with modern WCs. They are more
compact and have smaller flush volumes.
How I miss my beige coloured 1970s Armitage Shanks WC!
Bruce

Shove some caustic down it.

Thanks. I'll buy a plunger and give it a go with that first.

bruce

says...
I suspect it may be a common problem with modern WCs. They are more
compact and have smaller flush volumes.
How I miss my beige coloured 1970s Armitage Shanks WC!
Bruce


Have to agree there. The old fashioned toilets with the
tank high above the toilet never suffered from that
problem. I need to invest in a couple of new wc's as part
of our renovations. It seems that in the interests of
economising water usage that efficiency has gone out of the
window with some designs. On my last visit to the plumbers
merchant the manager was saying the same thing and actually
advised against buying a couple of the toilet designs they
had on display due to "poor evacuation".
--
David in Normandy

"poor evacuation"

A good description of the problem.

Bruce

says...
"poor evacuation"

A good description of the problem.

Bruce


Those were the actual words of the manager of the plumber's
merchant, quite apt. It shows that you can't just buy a
toilet that looks "nice" nowadays without consideration of
whether they actually work properly.

Unfortunately you don't get chance to try them out in the
store before buying :-)
--
David in Normandy

On Jan 16, 3:44*pm, David in Normandy wrote:
says...

*"poor evacuation"

A good description of the problem.

Bruce

Those were the actual words of the manager of the plumber's
merchant, quite apt. It shows that you can't just buy a
toilet that looks "nice" nowadays without consideration of
whether they actually work properly.

Unfortunately you don't get chance to try them out in the
store before buying :-)

My 2.5 year old daughter tried to flush every loo in our local hombase
at the weekend saying "no fush" after each one and shaking her head
sadly.

R

On 2008-01-16 15:44:02 +0000, David in Normandy said:

says...
"poor evacuation"

A good description of the problem.

Bruce


Those were the actual words of the manager of the plumber's
merchant, quite apt. It shows that you can't just buy a
toilet that looks "nice" nowadays without consideration of
whether they actually work properly.

Unfortunately you don't get chance to try them out in the
store before buying :-)

I did see a little girl do just that in B&Q once. She even pulled the
handle to flush it and was most perplexed when nothing happened.

On 16 Jan, 13:35, 4square wrote:
On Jan 16, 12:20 pm, " bruce_phi...@my-



deja.com wrote:
On 16 Jan, 11:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

wrote:
On 16 Jan, 10:47, "George" wrote:
wrote in message

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I installed a new bathroom a couple of months ago. 70s bungalow.
Right from the start, I noticed that the WC sometimes required 2
flushes to clear toilet paper. The new WC pan is smaller the old model
and the cistern is smaller.
This house I'm in, when moving in it had one o those continental jobbies
in(all in one very low cistern) and it was doing exactly what you're
describing,after much frustion in clearing blockages I decide to change the
loo and cistern.

That solved it.

Don't know whether thats the case of yours though?

I suspect it may be a common problem with modern WCs. They are more
compact and have smaller flush volumes.
How I miss my beige coloured 1970s Armitage Shanks WC!
Bruce

Shove some caustic down it.

Thanks. I'll buy a plunger and give it a go with that first.

bruce- Hide quoted text -

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I refitted our bathroom a few years ago, with a complete suite from B
& Q. This included a close-coupled WC, and it has never been as
efficient as the old one, which was the usual 70's pattern, low-
level cistern with a flush pipe about a foot long, IIRC. I have
thought, there must be a British Standard for such things, and mine
is probably below it! Also with the new one, the cistern syphon is
one - piece, so if the plastic washer in the lifting part fails, the
cistern and pan have to be seperated to remove the syphon to get at
the washer. The old one had a syphon with a joint in it, it came
apart for maintenance. Such is progress!

And then there's the low flush for a pee variety !! The trouble there
is that most old drains rely on the continual traditional amount of
flush to get the 'evacuation' all the way to the system. After 6
months of low flushing, our drains blocked solid and there had to be
digging session to get into them and clear the blockage - old drains
typically also lack rodding points !!

So don't install low flush loos onto old drains !

Rob

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:33:13 +0000, Andy Hall wrote:

I did see a little girl do just that in B&Q once. She even pulled the
handle to flush it and was most perplexed when nothing happened.

Also been know to happen in prop toilets on TV sets. Thats was female as
well, seat down, loo paper in bowl... What is it with women, don't they
look where they are going to plonk their bum?

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:44:02 +0100, David in Normandy wrote:

Unfortunately you don't get chance to try them out in the store before
buying :-)

I find this rather annoying as well. I've seen enough modern loos that
don't flush well, either throug lack of evacuation or not washing the bowl
down all the way round to want to see how any prosective new loo does
actually flush.

I believe there is a British Standard turd that makes should be designing
to clear in a single flush.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

On 2008-01-16 21:33:48 +0000, "Dave Liquorice" said:

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:33:13 +0000, Andy Hall wrote:

I did see a little girl do just that in B&Q once. She even pulled the
handle to flush it and was most perplexed when nothing happened.

Also been know to happen in prop toilets on TV sets. Thats was female as
well, seat down, loo paper in bowl... What is it with women, don't they
look where they are going to plonk their bum?

Cling film tightly and carefully located over the porcelain and then
the seat put down (as they always want) works well as an education.

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:38:13 +0000 (GMT) someone who may be "Dave
Liquorice" wrote this:-

I find this rather annoying as well. I've seen enough modern loos that
don't flush well, either throug lack of evacuation or not washing the bowl
down all the way round to want to see how any prosective new loo does
actually flush.

I believe there is a British Standard turd that makes should be designing
to clear in a single flush.

In the House of Lords, at least a decade ago, they were discussing
the subject and one of the bods asked what tests were performed on
toilets. One of them got up and explained the ball of newspaper and
sawdust tests, which I hope are self-explanatory in this group.

I doubt if anyone in the House of Commons, then and especially now,
would know such details. I have thought much more highly of the
House of Lords compared to the other place ever since.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

"David Hansen" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:38:13 +0000 (GMT) someone who may be "Dave
Liquorice" wrote this:-

I find this rather annoying as well. I've seen enough modern loos that
don't flush well, either throug lack of evacuation or not washing the bowl
down all the way round to want to see how any prosective new loo does
actually flush.

I believe there is a British Standard turd that makes should be designing
to clear in a single flush.

In the House of Lords, at least a decade ago, they were discussing
the subject and one of the bods asked what tests were performed on
toilets. One of them got up and explained the ball of newspaper and
sawdust tests, which I hope are self-explanatory in this group.

I doubt if anyone in the House of Commons, then and especially now,
would know such details. I have thought much more highly of the
House of Lords compared to the other place ever since.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

We always 'blame' the WC - but could the fault sometimes with the pipe (lack
of fall, etc).

"John" wrote in message
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"David Hansen" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:38:13 +0000 (GMT) someone who may be "Dave
Liquorice" wrote this:-

I find this rather annoying as well. I've seen enough modern loos that
don't flush well, either throug lack of evacuation or not washing the
bowl
down all the way round to want to see how any prosective new loo does
actually flush.

I believe there is a British Standard turd that makes should be designing
to clear in a single flush.

In the House of Lords, at least a decade ago, they were discussing
the subject and one of the bods asked what tests were performed on
toilets. One of them got up and explained the ball of newspaper and
sawdust tests, which I hope are self-explanatory in this group.

I doubt if anyone in the House of Commons, then and especially now,
would know such details. I have thought much more highly of the
House of Lords compared to the other place ever since.

Favourite joke but worth repeating:

"Did you hear about the member of the House of Lords who dreamed he was
making a speech in the House...
....who woke up and found he was"


--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

David Hansen wrote:

In the House of Lords, at least a decade ago, they were discussing
the subject and one of the bods asked what tests were performed on
toilets. One of them got up and explained the ball of newspaper and
sawdust tests, which I hope are self-explanatory in this group.

I saw a video clip of a Japanese test once. They used modelling clay
mixed with expanded polystyrene, in eye-wateringly large bits. Much
better model than newspaper.

Andy

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
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David Hansen wrote:

In the House of Lords, at least a decade ago, they were discussing
the subject and one of the bods asked what tests were performed on
toilets. One of them got up and explained the ball of newspaper and
sawdust tests, which I hope are self-explanatory in this group.

I saw a video clip of a Japanese test once. They used modelling clay
mixed with expanded polystyrene, in eye-wateringly large bits. Much
better model than newspaper.

Andy

Need to cope with "Sinkers" and "Floaters"

John wrote:
"Andy Champ" wrote in message
...
David Hansen wrote:
In the House of Lords, at least a decade ago, they were discussing
the subject and one of the bods asked what tests were performed on
toilets. One of them got up and explained the ball of newspaper and
sawdust tests, which I hope are self-explanatory in this group.

I saw a video clip of a Japanese test once. They used modelling clay
mixed with expanded polystyrene, in eye-wateringly large bits. Much
better model than newspaper.

Andy

Need to cope with "Sinkers" and "Floaters"



I decided to leave the default 6 litre flush on the cistern I fitted
recently, and I can't say I notice the difference