On 26 Feb 2005 07:12:45 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

I wish to further give thanks for the people who designed Jim Rozens
Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanie

Hey I made the big time.

Is this to deflect beanies, or what?

Jim

http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

Gunner

It's better to be a red person in a blue state
than a blue person in a red state. As a red
person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob
at least you have a gun to protect yourself.
As a blue person, your only hope is to appease
the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu.

(Phil Garding)

On 26 Feb 2005 09:53:34 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Sue says...

I didn't know that net worth is a qualification for being eccentric.
Damn. I always figured you simply had to get to a certain age to
qualify. Prior to that one is just "odd". I keep waiting to make the
transition, but I haven't figured out what the age is.

No, it's not an age thing. He's eccentric because he owns
*guns*. He's eccentric because he has all that strange
*machinery* on his property. He's eccentric because he
engages in deeply-felt political discussions.

Uh oh. Hold on there a minute....

Jim

ROFLMAO!

Comes the dawn.....
G

Gunner

It's better to be a red person in a blue state
than a blue person in a red state. As a red
person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob
at least you have a gun to protect yourself.
As a blue person, your only hope is to appease
the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu.

(Phil Garding)

In article , Gunner says...

Uh oh. Hold on there a minute....

ROFLMAO!

Comes the dawn.....
G

What dawn? Every member of this ng qualifies as
'eccentric.' Normal, civilized folk don't do
what we do, fooling with machinery like this.

That's the classic line, uttered by our westchester
county DA, Janine Prio: "I knew that something was
wrong when we came into the house and found all
those machine tools."

Watch this lady's name, she's making a bid for
national politics. She will make you want to
give Hillary Clinton a big hug and a kiss by
comparison.

Jim


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In article , Gunner says...

Hey I made the big time.

Is this to deflect beanies, or what?

Who was that guy that Pete Albrecht found the
star treck photo of, it wasn't cass, it was
the *other* one....

I forget his name.

Jim


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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:22:01 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

Why should I bother? Frankly Ed..I dont compare myself to anyone but
me.

That's nice, but you don't hesitate to compare *me* to your chuckleheaded
concept of the "left." You treat yourself as incomparable, but you have the
rest of the population pigeonholed into your little conceptual boxes, which
are made of straw.

Ed,
I begin to think that he counts each of the little voices twice
(old winger counting problems).
By the time he's done ...... perhaps it is a majority G.
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"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
She will make you want to
give Hillary Clinton a big hug and a kiss by
comparison.

Jim


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Gunner wrote:

cats

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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:17:52 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:09:47 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


Because the very wise men who wrote it intended it to be this way..and
then everyone agreed to it and signed on to the Contract..and made
sure that any new states must honor the same contract before they
would be accepted into the Union.

That's very interesting. I didn't realize you were old enough to have
known
the FF's "intentions."

And here, I always thought they meant what they said -- as in the case of
the debates over the Bill of Rights in the First Congress.


Btw...the Seperation of Church and State is a false construct..with no
finding in the Constitution.

Not trying to say that ANYTHING not in the Constitution is a "false construct",
are you?

In article , gfulton says...

She will make you want to
give Hillary Clinton a big hug and a kiss by
comparison.

Damn, I just got a chill. Nope. Just never going to happen.

Piro is no prize my friend. Hillary's husband never did
time, her's did - for income tax evasion. She's been
mixed up in some shady deals around here, but what
really frosts my cake is that her idea of good publicity
is getting her photo taken next to a table of guns that
were confiscated from some homeowner. Most of the guns
mind you were perfectly legal.

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I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Sue
wrote back on Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:59:31 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:45:22 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show
(Frank White) wrote back on 26 Feb 2005 02:33:37 GMT in misc.survivalism :
In article , says...

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:34:57 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

You wanna try some polls and election results, and see who is on the middle
and who is on the fringe?

Gunner is eccentric; but there is nothing to suggest in the
slightest that he lacks mental balance or is a mindless
drone on either the right or left wing.

Hmmm, does Gunner has the net worth to be a Real Eccentric? It would
be nice if he did, because that will enable his behavior to remain
"eccentric" longer.

I didn't know that net worth is a qualification for being eccentric.
Damn. I always figured you simply had to get to a certain age to
qualify. Prior to that one is just "odd". I keep waiting to make the
transition, but I haven't figured out what the age is.

The ancient difference between being An Eccentric and that of being
merely a nut, is that an Eccentric is a nut with money. Stand on the
corner in galoshes, a battered old coat and a straw hat talking about
aliens from the fifth dimension are controlling the TV networks, and you
are a nut. But if you are living off a trust fund, then you are
"eccentric."

On the other hand, there was Joshua Norton, who after losing his money
& business, lost his mind, put on an old military uniform and declared
himself Emperor of North America and Protector of Mexico. And when he
died, over ten thousand people came to his funeral. There is an attempt
currently to get part fo the Bay Bridge in San Francisco named after him.
After all, he decreed that a bridge such as it must be built.


tschus
pyotr

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but Janet Reno actually does something about it." --Spy Magazine

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:49:49 GMT, (The Watcher)
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:17:52 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:09:47 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


Because the very wise men who wrote it intended it to be this way..and
then everyone agreed to it and signed on to the Contract..and made
sure that any new states must honor the same contract before they
would be accepted into the Union.

That's very interesting. I didn't realize you were old enough to have
known
the FF's "intentions."

And here, I always thought they meant what they said -- as in the case of
the debates over the Bill of Rights in the First Congress.


Btw...the Seperation of Church and State is a false construct..with no
finding in the Constitution.

Not trying to say that ANYTHING not in the Constitution is a "false construct",
are you?

Only when its in violation of an amendment.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
**************

"One of the reasons many of us misread the meaning of the
Establishment Clause of the First Amendment is that we misinterpret
the word "respecting."

Without consulting the dictionary, we assume the word means
"expressing respect for," and we thus conclude that the Establishment
Clause is about preventing Congress from "establishing a favored
national religion."

The dictionary, however, provides a distinct, independent meaning of
the word "respecting"--and the meaning has nothing to do with the verb
"respect." According to the dictionary, "respecting" means literally
"concerning," "regarding," or "about."

Thus, an accurate rendering of the Establishment Clause reads as
follows: "Congress shall make no law concerning an establishment of
religion." In other words, whether or not Congress can "establish a
national religion" is not really the issue. The issue is that Congress
has no business even considering the matter of religious establishment
at all, either nationally or in regard to the various states. Congress
has absolutely no business interfering with, or promoting any
religion or religious function or entity."

Forbidding government employees from having a cross or Christmas
decoration at their desk as examples, is indeed...interfering with
religion.

As is noted..there is no clause indicating you have the right to not
be offended, or to be free from religious expressions. Such
expressions, just like a Gay Pride parade, are free speech issues. If
you dont like your coworker having a cross, or a Star of David etc at
his/her desk, tough ****.
If you dont like employees having a prayer meeting in the parking lot
during lunch hour..tough ****.
If your atheist coworker has a knick knack their desk, that says there
is no God, and you dont like it..tough ****.

Only in a private company can management set up rules that perhaps may
limit your religious freedom, or athiest freedom. while on the job.

If a school administrator (example) says there shall be no religious
jewelry, but allows other types..he/she is in violation of your First
Amendment rights.

Bust his/her ass in court.
Gunner

It's better to be a red person in a blue state
than a blue person in a red state. As a red
person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob
at least you have a gun to protect yourself.
As a blue person, your only hope is to appease
the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu.

(Phil Garding)

I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Gunner
wrote back on Sat, 26 Feb 2005 06:44:40 GMT in
rec.crafts.metalworking :

How's that? It's the flip side of your attitude. Some of the friends I
acquired in Europe years ago were, and some still are, socialists. They've
some of the finest people I've ever known. We disagree about almost
everything, but their motivations, their spirit, and their behavior are
first-class.

--
Ed Huntress

Im sure there were some nice people in the Nazi Party too.
Not everyone in the NKVD was a bad person.
Even some of the Geheimstatz Polizi loved their kids.

Somewhere around here, I've photo of a bunch of SS with their kitten.
Just guys, with a dandelion and a little kitten. "O, wie suss!"

tschus
pyotr



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as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

jim rozen wrote:

In article , Sue says...


I didn't know that net worth is a qualification for being eccentric.
Damn. I always figured you simply had to get to a certain age to
qualify. Prior to that one is just "odd". I keep waiting to make the
transition, but I haven't figured out what the age is.


No, it's not an age thing. He's eccentric because he owns
*guns*. He's eccentric because he has all that strange
*machinery* on his property. He's eccentric because he
engages in deeply-felt political discussions.

Uh oh. Hold on there a minute....

Jim


And Jim is eccentric for thinking he knows all of that stuff :-)

Actually, he has neighbors that have stuff also. He is a normal kind a guy !

Just returned on a part hunting expedition.

Martin

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@ home at Lion's Lair with our computer
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:27:06 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:56:53 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


Or, you can keep reading your blogs, and melt your mind into a puddle.

--
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Quite frankly Edwardo..there are only 4 things I need to read.

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html
http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/federalist/
http://www.constitution.org/afp/afp.htm
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/const.html


all else is bull****.

If you ever figure out what they mean, you'll be in good shape.

I suspect, based on you comment, I must be in great shape.

Gunner

It's better to be a red person in a blue state
than a blue person in a red state. As a red
person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob
at least you have a gun to protect yourself.
As a blue person, your only hope is to appease
the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu.

(Phil Garding)

On 27 Feb 2005 08:59:11 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment
of religion, nor the free exercise thereof."

Which part of NO LAW didn't you understand?

This ALSO means that there shall also be No Law that prevents
religious expression.

And no law that *requires* it, either.
Gummint should not be in the god business.

The ministers should stick to the god biz,
and the legislators should stick to the law biz.

Jim

Big gold star Jim.

Gunner

It's better to be a red person in a blue state
than a blue person in a red state. As a red
person, if your blue neighbors turn into a mob
at least you have a gun to protect yourself.
As a blue person, your only hope is to appease
the red mob with herbal tea and marinated tofu.

(Phil Garding)

jim rozen wrote:
In article , Gunner says...


Hey I made the big time.

Is this to deflect beanies, or what?


Who was that guy that Pete Albrecht found the
star treck photo of, it wasn't cass, it was
the *other* one....

I forget his name.

Jim


Do you mean A****** That name we daresent say out loud?
:-)
...lew...

In article . net, Lew Hartswick
says...

jim rozen wrote:
In article , Gunner says...

Who was that guy that Pete Albrecht found the
star treck photo of, it wasn't cass, it was
the *other* one....

I forget his name.

Do you mean A****** That name we daresent say out loud?

Nope, not him. It was one of the really nutty ones. Pete
had a good deal of sport with him.

JIm


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I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Gunner
wrote back on Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:43:45 GMT in
rec.crafts.metalworking :
On 27 Feb 2005 08:59:11 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment
of religion, nor the free exercise thereof."

Which part of NO LAW didn't you understand?

This ALSO means that there shall also be No Law that prevents
religious expression.

And no law that *requires* it, either.
Gummint should not be in the god business.

The ministers should stick to the god biz,
and the legislators should stick to the law biz.

Jim

Big gold star Jim.

So when the government starts getting into what the preachers consider
to be part of the God biz, what then?

"It is said, that if you do murder, you are liable to the council. But
I tell you, if you call your brother idiot, you are going to hell." Jesus
of Nazareth, as quoted in Matthew bio.

Now, at what point does the process which leads to murder stop being in
the jurisdiction of the law, and enters into the jurisdiction of the
religious leaders? And vice versa: when does the break down of a
relationship (first expressed when you call your friend "idiot") progress
out of the religious sphere into the purely political sphere? (One has to
admit, murder is an ultimate expression of the breakdown of a
relationship.)

Can politicians make legal that which is immoral? Sale of adulterated
products to minors? Chattel slavery? Wife beating? Discrimination on the
basis of race, creed, gender, orientation, national origin, sign, color,
GPA, or alignment?

Or once the politicians speak, those are no longer open for discussion
on their moral elements?


tschus
pyotr

"We could to it. It wold be legal, but it would be wrong." Richard Nixon.
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as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

jim rozen wrote:
In article . net, Lew Hartswick
says...

jim rozen wrote:
In article , Gunner says...

Who was that guy that Pete Albrecht found the
star treck photo of, it wasn't cass, it was
the *other* one....

I forget his name.

Do you mean A****** That name we daresent say out loud?

Nope, not him. It was one of the really nutty ones. Pete
had a good deal of sport with him.

JIm

If it was Startrek, it was probably RRRyker.


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In article , Todd Rich says...

Do you mean A****** That name we daresent say out loud?

Nope, not him. It was one of the really nutty ones. Pete
had a good deal of sport with him.

If it was Startrek, it was probably RRRyker.

Thank you. That's the one.

Jim


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I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show jim rozen
wrote back on 26 Feb 2005 09:53:34 -0800 in
rec.crafts.metalworking :
In article , Sue says...

I didn't know that net worth is a qualification for being eccentric.
Damn. I always figured you simply had to get to a certain age to
qualify. Prior to that one is just "odd". I keep waiting to make the
transition, but I haven't figured out what the age is.

No, it's not an age thing. He's eccentric because he owns
*guns*. He's eccentric because he has all that strange
*machinery* on his property. He's eccentric because he
engages in deeply-felt political discussions.

Uh oh. Hold on there a minute....


On second (or third) thought Gunner is a character. He is not
eccentric, (nor is he out of round.) Of course, I have no idea about his
personal habits, so I can't really say.

But from what I read "here" (where ever "here" is. Usenet is like
Oakland, "there is no there, there.") he's definitely a character, but not
an odd ball.

Of course, I consider myself to be a rather bland and normal
individual. Nothing interesting here.


tschus
pyotr

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producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Gunner
wrote back on Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:59:44 GMT in
rec.crafts.metalworking :
On 26 Feb 2005 07:19:23 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Btw...the Seperation of Church and State is a false construct..with no
finding in the Constitution.

Back to civics 101 for you, the first ten amendments are *part*
of teh constitution.

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment
of religion, nor the free exercise thereof."

Which part of NO LAW didn't you understand?

This ALSO means that there shall also be No Law that prevents
religious expression.

At least at the Federal level. I'm still in favor of letting the
Mormons control Utah (as if they don't) or the Baptists influence Texas (as
if they don't) or the Unitarians Universalists control Connecticut (as if
they don't.) And the neo-pagans can have California, as if they don't.

As a friend put it once: liberty means having to put up with things
which **** you off.

- "You don't like the Goths?"
- "No! Not with the persecution we have to put up with!"
- "Persecution?"
- "Religious persecution. We won't stand for it forever."
- "I thought the Goths let everybody worship as they pleased."
- "That's just it! We Orthodox are forced to stand around and watch
Arians and Monophysites and Nestorians and Jews going about their business
unmolested, as if they owned the country. If that isn't persecution, I'd
like to know what is!"
-- Martin Padway and stranger in bar in
"Lest Darkness Fall"


And that goes for you people who use The Wrong Tools. We know who you
are.


tschus
pyotr

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producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

In article , pyotr filipivich
says...

As a friend put it once: liberty means having to put up with things
which **** you off.

But at the same time, folks who want to do stuff that will ****
you off will find themselves restricted.

Jim


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I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show jim rozen
wrote back on 1 Mar 2005 13:21:50 -0800 in
rec.crafts.metalworking :
In article , pyotr filipivich
says...

As a friend put it once: liberty means having to put up with things
which **** you off.

But at the same time, folks who want to do stuff that will ****
you off will find themselves restricted.

Its that mutual respect sort of thing: I won't say you can't if you
don't say I can't.



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Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."