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OT-CNN: Bush Got Bounce From Dem Convention
Sunday, Aug. 1, 2004 12:35 p.m. EDT CNN/USA/Gallup: Bush Got Bounce From Dem Convention The first poll taken after the Democratic convention shows a significant bounce - for the Bush-Cheney ticket. A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Sunday shows that among likely voters, President Bush reaped a 5-point bounce from the Democratic confab, and he now leads Sen. Kerry, 50 percent to 47 percent. The new numbers represent a sharp reversal from a July 19-21 CNN/USA Today/Gallup survey, which had Kerry leading Bush by two points, 49 percent to 47 percent. Even among registered voters - a group that typically trends more Democratic than likely voters - Bush picked up a 1-point bounce. The CNN/USA/Today poll of registered voters has Kerry now leading Bush by 3 points, 50 percent to 47 percent. In the earlier survey, Kerry led Bush by 4 points, 49 percent to 45 percent. Commenting on the negative bounce for the Kerry-Edwards ticket, dejected CNN political analyst Bill Schneider said Sunday, "The convention rallied voters, but it rallied Republicans more than Democrats." "All those questioned were questioned after John Kerry's acceptance speech," lamented CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... Like you said gunner; "OT" Sorry about the dropped lathe, hope it isn't too bad. Vaughn |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... Sunday, Aug. 1, 2004 12:35 p.m. EDT CNN/USA/Gallup: Bush Got Bounce From Dem Convention The first poll taken after the Democratic convention shows a significant bounce - for the Bush-Cheney ticket. A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Sunday shows that among likely voters, President Bush reaped a 5-point bounce from the Democratic confab, and he now leads Sen. Kerry, 50 percent to 47 percent. The new numbers represent a sharp reversal from a July 19-21 CNN/USA Today/Gallup survey, which had Kerry leading Bush by two points, 49 percent to 47 percent. Even among registered voters - a group that typically trends more Democratic than likely voters - Bush picked up a 1-point bounce. The CNN/USA/Today poll of registered voters has Kerry now leading Bush by 3 points, 50 percent to 47 percent. In the earlier survey, Kerry led Bush by 4 points, 49 percent to 45 percent. Commenting on the negative bounce for the Kerry-Edwards ticket, dejected CNN political analyst Bill Schneider said Sunday, "The convention rallied voters, but it rallied Republicans more than Democrats." "All those questioned were questioned after John Kerry's acceptance speech," lamented CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke Jeez, I un-plonked you on Saturday, and already we're running into bloggish misrepresentations. g The story you posted above wasn't from CNN. It was from some blog or right-wing website that misrepresented the CNN poll. Here's CNN's actual story, from which this bloggish baloney was extracted -- like teeth g: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...nce/index.html It's interesting to read the two stories -- the actual CNN story and the thing you posted above -- side-by-side. There are two realities, Virginia, and one of them ain't really real. Ed Huntress |
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Gunner wrote in message . ..
Sunday, Aug. 1, 2004 12:35 p.m. EDT CNN/USA/Gallup: Bush Got Bounce From Dem Convention The first poll taken after the Democratic convention shows a significant bounce - for the Bush-Cheney ticket. A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Sunday shows that among likely voters, President Bush reaped a 5-point bounce from the Democratic confab, and he now leads Sen. Kerry, 50 percent to 47 percent. The new numbers represent a sharp reversal from a July 19-21 CNN/USA Today/Gallup survey, which had Kerry leading Bush by two points, 49 percent to 47 percent. Even among registered voters - a group that typically trends more Democratic than likely voters - Bush picked up a 1-point bounce. The CNN/USA/Today poll of registered voters has Kerry now leading Bush by 3 points, 50 percent to 47 percent. In the earlier survey, Kerry led Bush by 4 points, 49 percent to 45 percent. Commenting on the negative bounce for the Kerry-Edwards ticket, dejected CNN political analyst Bill Schneider said Sunday, "The convention rallied voters, but it rallied Republicans more than Democrats." "All those questioned were questioned after John Kerry's acceptance speech," lamented CNN's Wolf Blitzer. As a guy living in the Boston area, I took the Democratic convention to be a dismal failure -- I kept asking myself where is the beef? Kerry's failure to lay down any plan to correct and recover from the errrors he claimed went unanswered. No big surprise, since as a Massachusetts resident we all here know John Kerry. He is all bluster and totally without substance. This guy cuts his attendance in the Senate more than any other senator, never responds to his constituents mail and issues (unlike Kennedy), and appears to spend most of his time focusing on his own self-interests (such as moving a fire hydrant in front of his home to a neighbors property so that he could have a parking place). This is John Kerry's focus, and evidently reflects his rather strange sense of priorities. 'Nuff said. I am no great fan of Bush, but I pity our country if Kerry is elected president, because I have no reason to believe that he would rise to the position, since he has already demonstrated that he hasn't risen to the positin of senator. Is John Kerry the best that the Democrats could come up with? If so, it's pretty pathetic in my humble opinion! Harry C. |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 10:01:54 GMT, "Vaughn"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . Like you said gunner; "OT" Yup. And if such bothers you, simply add a filter to delete all such headers with OT in them. You will never see them and be offended again. Hence the use of the easily identified OT designator. Somone did force you to read it, correct? Sorry about the dropped lathe, hope it isn't too bad. Vaughn I posted about it. It could have been far worse. We got off lucky and the lathe is fairly easily repairable. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:26:11 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . Sunday, Aug. 1, 2004 12:35 p.m. EDT CNN/USA/Gallup: Bush Got Bounce From Dem Convention The first poll taken after the Democratic convention shows a significant bounce - for the Bush-Cheney ticket. A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Sunday shows that among likely voters, President Bush reaped a 5-point bounce from the Democratic confab, and he now leads Sen. Kerry, 50 percent to 47 percent. The new numbers represent a sharp reversal from a July 19-21 CNN/USA Today/Gallup survey, which had Kerry leading Bush by two points, 49 percent to 47 percent. Even among registered voters - a group that typically trends more Democratic than likely voters - Bush picked up a 1-point bounce. The CNN/USA/Today poll of registered voters has Kerry now leading Bush by 3 points, 50 percent to 47 percent. In the earlier survey, Kerry led Bush by 4 points, 49 percent to 45 percent. Commenting on the negative bounce for the Kerry-Edwards ticket, dejected CNN political analyst Bill Schneider said Sunday, "The convention rallied voters, but it rallied Republicans more than Democrats." "All those questioned were questioned after John Kerry's acceptance speech," lamented CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke Jeez, I un-plonked you on Saturday, and already we're running into bloggish misrepresentations. g The story you posted above wasn't from CNN. It was from some blog or right-wing website that misrepresented the CNN poll. Here's CNN's actual story, from which this bloggish baloney was extracted -- like teeth g: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...nce/index.html It's interesting to read the two stories -- the actual CNN story and the thing you posted above -- side-by-side. There are two realities, Virginia, and one of them ain't really real. Ed Huntress While I consider CNN to be largely a leftwing blog, I actually went and read it. Interesting how Kerry is still neck and neck with Bush on some issues, and behind on others, particularly After a convention where typically the challengers convention nets him a 10-15 point bounce. If the original cite was from a rightwing website, its interesting to see them using Leftwing tactics in news presentation. Must really **** off the Left when their own playbook gets used against them. Im reminded of the newspaper article in a Lefty paper with the blazing headlines " Cop Kills Kid". Third paragraph finally gets around to mentioning that the kid was holding up a liquor store with a sawed off shotgun and an off duty police officer shoots the little ******* (long rap sheet), while the first two paras mention the age, race, school, and describes the crying family members. Your usual spin from the Left. Shrug. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 10:01:54 GMT, "Vaughn" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . Like you said gunner; "OT" Yup. And if such bothers you, simply add a filter to delete all such headers with OT in them. You will never see them and be offended again. Hence the use of the easily identified OT designator. Somone did force you to read it, correct? And should the spammers decide to blast 200 posts a day under different aliases and subjects, well then that's just too bad too. Screw the readers of rcm, they don't matter. Joel. phx Sorry about the dropped lathe, hope it isn't too bad. Vaughn I posted about it. It could have been far worse. We got off lucky and the lathe is fairly easily repairable. Gunner |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:04:32 -0700, Joel Corwith wrote:
Yup. And if such bothers you, simply add a filter to delete all such headers with OT in them. Or you can just killfile gunner. Works great! Jim Kovar Vulcan, Mi |
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On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:04:32 -0700, "Joel Corwith"
wrote: Yup. And if such bothers you, simply add a filter to delete all such headers with OT in them. You will never see them and be offended again. Hence the use of the easily identified OT designator. Somone did force you to read it, correct? And should the spammers decide to blast 200 posts a day under different aliases and subjects, well then that's just too bad too. Screw the readers of rcm, they don't matter. Joel. phx Do spammers put OT in their headers so you can filter them out automaticly? Lame Joel..very very lame. Do try harder ok? Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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"Gunner" wrote The Presidency and the accomplishments of George W. Bush snip about 500 lines similar to the following President Bush proclaims National Character Counts Week Now _there's_ a major achievement :-) "Guns Dont kill People, Democrats Kill People" Tony Prentakis Interested readers can google up that old conversation and decide for themselves whether Gunner suffers from irony deficiency :-) -- Tony P. |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:04:32 -0700, "Joel Corwith" wrote: Yup. And if such bothers you, simply add a filter to delete all such headers with OT in them. You will never see them and be offended again. Hence the use of the easily identified OT designator. Somone did force you to read it, correct? And should the spammers decide to blast 200 posts a day under different aliases and subjects, well then that's just too bad too. Screw the readers of rcm, they don't matter. Joel. phx Do spammers put OT in their headers so you can filter them out automaticly? Lame Joel..very very lame. Do try harder ok? You're suggestion of filters leaves me to believe you were/are a smoker. Blow smoke in people's faces then suggest -they- should wear a respirator. Funny, but not all your off topic posts are labeled OT, so screw those readers too? Oh, you'll suggest people filter you, then anyone that responds to your posts, then all those subjects, then you might as well cancel the group,.... The posting stats for May show gunner had 479 posts!! Only Jim Rozen and vordos(?) "come close" at only 212 and 115 respectively. So is exhibiting rude behavior (excessive OT posting) indicative of a: a) Considerate group member. b) An asshole. rec.crafts.metalworking I don't see the word 'politics' in there anywhere. Joel. phx Gunner |
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On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:33:19 -0400, "tonyp"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote The Presidency and the accomplishments of George W. Bush snip about 500 lines similar to the following President Bush proclaims National Character Counts Week Now _there's_ a major achievement :-) Someone had to remind the people, particularly after the last administration attempted to redefine it via blue dress and a trail of bodies. "Guns Dont kill People, Democrats Kill People" Tony Prentakis Interested readers can google up that old conversation and decide for themselves whether Gunner suffers from irony deficiency :-) -- Tony P. Saved for just the right moment G Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:32:36 -0700, "Joel Corwith"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:04:32 -0700, "Joel Corwith" wrote: Yup. And if such bothers you, simply add a filter to delete all such headers with OT in them. You will never see them and be offended again. Hence the use of the easily identified OT designator. Somone did force you to read it, correct? And should the spammers decide to blast 200 posts a day under different aliases and subjects, well then that's just too bad too. Screw the readers of rcm, they don't matter. Joel. phx Do spammers put OT in their headers so you can filter them out automaticly? Lame Joel..very very lame. Do try harder ok? You're suggestion of filters leaves me to believe you were/are a smoker. Blow smoke in people's faces then suggest -they- should wear a respirator. Funny, but not all your off topic posts are labeled OT, so screw those readers too? Oh, you'll suggest people filter you, then anyone that responds to your posts, then all those subjects, then you might as well cancel the group,.... So you are saying you cant figure out how to apply filters? Ask the folks on the newsgroup, or ask your keepers. Maybe one of them can help. Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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"Gunner" wrote in message news:... So you are saying you cant figure out how to apply filters? Ask the folks on the newsgroup, or ask your keepers. Maybe one of them can help. Wow, now you sound JUST like Lennie, sure your name isn't Dick? Just out of curiosity, why do you choose to disrespect other readers? rec.crafts.METALWORKING I know I know, you'll just keep blowing that smoke in other's faces. It's THEIR problem... Joel. phx And when the guy comes over to help you with the computer ask him to configure the newsreader to include: alt.politics alt.politics.democrats alt.politics.republicans alt.politics.bush alt.politics.clinton alt.politics.usa alt.politics.usa.gun-rights talk.politics.guns talk.politics.misc There's 200 some odd more that you can browse when he shows you how. Gunner |
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On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:44:09 -0700, "Joel Corwith"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message news:... So you are saying you cant figure out how to apply filters? Ask the folks on the newsgroup, or ask your keepers. Maybe one of them can help. Wow, now you sound JUST like Lennie, sure your name isn't Dick? Welll one of my middle names Is Richard. Close enough for you? Just out of curiosity, why do you choose to disrespect other readers? I only disrespect you at present. You appear to be a ****y anal retentive little net nanny with far too much time on your hands, apparently. rec.crafts.METALWORKING I know I know, you'll just keep blowing that smoke in other's faces. It's THEIR problem... Shrug..your keepers still not willing to show you how to set up a filter? I wonder..do you even open up the porn spam that shows up on the newsgroups now and then? Something obsessive in your make up that requires you to read each and every post, including those marked OT or of an obvious political or social nature? Ill bet you cant ignore a ringing phone either huh? Joel. phx And when the guy comes over to help you with the computer ask him to configure the newsreader to include: alt.politics alt.politics.democrats alt.politics.republicans alt.politics.bush alt.politics.clinton alt.politics.usa alt.politics.usa.gun-rights talk.politics.guns talk.politics.misc There's 200 some odd more that you can browse when he shows you how. Odd.. as I do my own configuring (got Mandrake 9.1 updating on the server at present), I reckon if I wanted to subsribe to those groups, I would. But I dont. And unless you are willing to come over to the homestead and force me to do so (bring a light lunch and a designated driver), seems you are just going to have to learn to live with the situation. Tell you what..Ill ignore you, and you can ignore me, and we will both be happy. Is it a deal? I dont see any other options you might have at present. Sometimes Joel, you just have to suck it up and drive on. Gunner Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... Sunday, Aug. 1, 2004 12:35 p.m. EDT CNN/USA/Gallup: Bush Got Bounce From Dem Convention The first poll taken after the Democratic convention shows a significant bounce - for the Bush-Cheney ticket. "Convention Gives Kerry Slight Lead Over Bush" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Aug2.html Leon -- Leon Heller, G1HSM http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:44:09 -0700, "Joel Corwith" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message news:... So you are saying you cant figure out how to apply filters? Ask the folks on the newsgroup, or ask your keepers. Maybe one of them can help. Wow, now you sound JUST like Lennie, sure your name isn't Dick? Welll one of my middle names Is Richard. Close enough for you? Just out of curiosity, why do you choose to disrespect other readers? I only disrespect you at present. You appear to be a ****y anal retentive little net nanny with far too much time on your hands, apparently. Name calling, very mature. rec.crafts.metalworking. You disrespect every reader in a metalworking group. Who's the ass. Joel. phx |
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Either Bush or Kerry, if elected is going to have a hard time. In the past 3
years we have added a lot more government and made large tax cuts, we all know what that does. If we don't cut spending and balance the budget (increasing taxes to someone) we will never have a strong economy. The mess we are in now will have to be fixed and whoever does it is not going to be very popular with the tax payers (ME). But we all are part of this mess. |
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On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:10:35 -0700, "Joel Corwith"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:44:09 -0700, "Joel Corwith" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message news:... So you are saying you cant figure out how to apply filters? Ask the folks on the newsgroup, or ask your keepers. Maybe one of them can help. Wow, now you sound JUST like Lennie, sure your name isn't Dick? Welll one of my middle names Is Richard. Close enough for you? Just out of curiosity, why do you choose to disrespect other readers? I only disrespect you at present. You appear to be a ****y anal retentive little net nanny with far too much time on your hands, apparently. Name calling, very mature. rec.crafts.metalworking. You disrespect every reader in a metalworking group. Who's the ass. Joel. phx From my view point, you are. Shrug. Suck it up Joel and drive on. Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:20:23 +0100, "Leon Heller"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . Sunday, Aug. 1, 2004 12:35 p.m. EDT CNN/USA/Gallup: Bush Got Bounce From Dem Convention The first poll taken after the Democratic convention shows a significant bounce - for the Bush-Cheney ticket. "Convention Gives Kerry Slight Lead Over Bush" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Aug2.html Leon Oh God Leon..now you are gonna have Joel on your ass. Welcome aboard the Joel Fan Club. Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... Oh God Leon..now you are gonna have Joel on your ass. Welcome aboard the Joel Fan Club. A google search on ??? shows all political comments. Joel. phx You could alway apply a filter.... Gunner |
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"Joel Corwith" wrote in message ... "Gunner" wrote in message ... Oh God Leon..now you are gonna have Joel on your ass. Welcome aboard the Joel Fan Club. A google search on ??? shows all political comments. Joel. phx You could alway apply a filter.... Forgot, that wouldn't work. Joel. phx Gunner |
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On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:16:35 -0400, "Wayne" makowicki wrote:
Either Bush or Kerry, if elected is going to have a hard time. In the past 3 years we have added a lot more government and made large tax cuts, we all know what that does. If we don't cut spending and balance the budget (increasing taxes to someone) we will never have a strong economy. The mess we are in now will have to be fixed and whoever does it is not going to be very popular with the tax payers (ME). But we all are part of this mess. The important thing about debt is not its absolute amount, but the ratio of debt to assets. The feral government is overwhelmingly the largest landowner in the US. The entire US federal debt could be repaid if the government would sell some of its vast real estate holdings. That would benefit local governments too, since they could then collect property taxes on all that land. Turning that land to productive use would also grow the economy, and hence increase the amount of taxes collected by the government. Gary |
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Ok so selling off assets that we as Americans can use to pay the dept to
foreign countries is good in the long run????? Sell off our land to have a bigger boat with no where to use it??? We have to pay our way as we go, not have a government that will just pass the buck to the next guy. |
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 21:19:15 -0400, "Wayne Mak" makowicki wrote:
Ok so selling off assets that we as Americans can use to pay the dept to foreign countries is good in the long run????? Sell off our land to have a bigger boat with no where to use it??? We have to pay our way as we go, not have a government that will just pass the buck to the next guy. The federal debt as of 8/5/04 is $7,305,957,273,110.85. That's $35,331.19 per taxpayer. When can we expect your check? Meanwhile, the federal government holds 627,000,000 acres of land off the commercial market. Much of it is raw land in the West, but a significant amount of it is in urban areas where commercial land is valued *much* higher. It has been estimated that selling off merely 20% of federal property holdings would completely pay off the federal debt. Gary |
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In article , Gary Coffman says...
Meanwhile, the federal government holds 627,000,000 acres of land off the commercial market. Much of it is raw land in the West, but a significant amount of it is in urban areas where commercial land is valued *much* higher. It has been estimated that selling off merely 20% of federal property holdings would completely pay off the federal debt. Dang. Think of the realtor fees. Gary wouldn't it just be easier to sell all the gold in Fort Knox? Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article , Wayne Mak says...
Even if selling off 20% of the land would fix our dept should we keep adding? Dibs on the Grand Canyon! Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 8 Aug 2004 07:33:10 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Gary Coffman says... Meanwhile, the federal government holds 627,000,000 acres of land off the commercial market. Much of it is raw land in the West, but a significant amount of it is in urban areas where commercial land is valued *much* higher. It has been estimated that selling off merely 20% of federal property holdings would completely pay off the federal debt. Dang. Think of the realtor fees. Gary wouldn't it just be easier to sell all the gold in Fort Knox? There isn't nearly enough gold in Fort Knox to cover the debt. Gary |
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On 8 Aug 2004 07:34:10 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Wayne Mak says... Even if selling off 20% of the land would fix our dept should we keep adding? Dibs on the Grand Canyon! There would be no need to sell National Park properties. There's only 83 million acres of that. Gary |
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On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 08:23:48 -0400, "Wayne Mak" makowicki wrote:
Even if selling off 20% of the land would fix our dept should we keep adding? I'm just trying to liquidate the "sins of the fathers" debt with which we've saddled future generations. If they want to avoid incurring new debt, that's their choice. I'm not really concerned about borrowing, as long as the people who do the borrowing pay it off. The problem we have is that we've incurred so much debt that it won't be paid off in our lifetimes without some sort of drastic action such as liquidating some assets. Gary |
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OT-CNN: Bush Got Bounce From Dem Convention
In article , Gary Coffman says...
There isn't nearly enough gold in Fort Knox to cover the debt. Right, but it's easy and it's a start. The trouble is, when you flood the market with that gold, doesn't the price go down? Likewise, if you start dumping federal lands onto the market, isn't *that* going to depress the market? Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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OT-CNN: Bush Got Bounce From Dem Convention
"Gary Coffman" wrote in message
... On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 08:23:48 -0400, "Wayne Mak" makowicki wrote: Even if selling off 20% of the land would fix our dept should we keep adding? I'm just trying to liquidate the "sins of the fathers" debt with which we've saddled future generations. If they want to avoid incurring new debt, that's their choice. I'm not really concerned about borrowing, as long as the people who do the borrowing pay it off. The problem we have is that we've incurred so much debt that it won't be paid off in our lifetimes without some sort of drastic action such as liquidating some assets. Gary The thing that concerns me is that the interest on the national debt is getting high enough that it will lay like a wet blanket over economic recovery and growth for many years to come. If we're in an era of slow and difficult economic expansion, as we appear to be, it could make any recovery sputter in slow motion for more than a decade. -- Ed Huntress (remove "3" from email address for email reply) |
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OT-CNN: Bush Got Bounce From Dem Convention
"jim rozen" wrote in message
... In article , Gary Coffman says... There isn't nearly enough gold in Fort Knox to cover the debt. Right, but it's easy and it's a start. The trouble is, when you flood the market with that gold, doesn't the price go down? Likewise, if you start dumping federal lands onto the market, isn't *that* going to depress the market? Jim Oh, it probably would hold up for quite a while. It will take some time for the new Chinese government owners to strip the last stick of timber off of it, and then they have a lot of digging to do, to get all of the minerals. Ed Huntress |
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OT-CNN: Bush Got Bounce From Dem Convention
On 8 Aug 2004 10:30:15 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gary Coffman says... There isn't nearly enough gold in Fort Knox to cover the debt. Right, but it's easy and it's a start. The trouble is, when you flood the market with that gold, doesn't the price go down? Likewise, if you start dumping federal lands onto the market, isn't *that* going to depress the market? Jim And the problem with that is? Then those of us who would like 40 acres and a mule could get them. We are long over due for an implosion of the housing market anyways. Talking to a friend of mine in LA Thursday. He bought a house in 2001 for $135k. It was just assessed at $359k. And has the property tax increase to go with it. Sooner or later..the price will reach the point that no one can afford a house. Particularly as the incomes are not increasing in parallel. At that point..those who bought high dollar crackerboxs will be so upside down, that bankruptcy will be the only choice..and when enough do this...the whole house of cards comes tumbling down. Its happening now in California. Companies are still moving out , the population is getting smaller as families are moving out and being replaced by aliens, who cannot afford the housing, the taxes or the regulations. Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" |
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In article , Gunner says...
The trouble is, when you flood the market with that gold, doesn't the price go down? Likewise, if you start dumping federal lands onto the market, isn't *that* going to depress the market? And the problem with that is? It becomes tougher to pay off the debt because the 'stuff' being sold is worth less. The idea here is to pay off the debt, not buy you a house on the rim of the grand canyon!  Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Gunner wrote: On 8 Aug 2004 10:30:15 -0700, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gary Coffman says... There isn't nearly enough gold in Fort Knox to cover the debt. Right, but it's easy and it's a start. The trouble is, when you flood the market with that gold, doesn't the price go down? Likewise, if you start dumping federal lands onto the market, isn't *that* going to depress the market? Jim And the problem with that is? Then those of us who would like 40 acres and a mule could get them. We are long over due for an implosion of the housing market anyways. Talking to a friend of mine in LA Thursday. He bought a house in 2001 for $135k. It was just assessed at $359k. And has the property tax increase to go with it. Sooner or later..the price will reach the point that no one can afford a house. Particularly as the incomes are not increasing in parallel. At that point..those who bought high dollar crackerboxs will be so upside down, that bankruptcy will be the only choice..and when enough do this...the whole house of cards comes tumbling down. Its happening now in California. Companies are still moving out , the population is getting smaller as families are moving out and being replaced by aliens, who cannot afford the housing, the taxes or the regulations. Gunner "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" Damned straight on your comments, Gunner. The supply and demand thing, I believe, is supported only on the notion that prices will perpetually increase and people can profit. Pay waaay too much now because people think they can't go down. People have a short memory and forget declining housing prices in select areas in the past. Something has to burst one of these days as there will come a time when people just can't get loans for a $ 300,000+ crappy house in a bad neighborhood. I suspect that the huge debt of the Govt will eventually blow interest up to the high teens again. And as to property taxes....that is one of my favorite rants and where I am about as conservative wakko nutjob as one gets for a pinko liberal commie Property taxes are about the MOST unamerican thing that canbe done. If you have 50 acres and can self support, you should be able to lock yourself up and never be bugged by the outside world. I understand that there are "services" that are intrinisically needed (like roads etc) but that shouldn't be related to property you have already paid for and own. Once it's yours, it should be YOURS. End of off topic rant Koz |
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OT-CNN: Bush Got Bounce From Dem Convention
"Ed Huntress" wrote The thing that concerns me is that the interest on the national debt is getting high enough that it will lay like a wet blanket over economic recovery and growth for many years to come. If we're in an era of slow and difficult economic expansion, as we appear to be, it could make any recovery sputter in slow motion for more than a decade. I say again: let's privatize the national debt. We the people are the ones who owe it, anyway. Let's assign each of us his individual share to service or pay down as he sees fit. Converting "the national debt" into 300 million "private" debts would not change how much "we" owe. But it _would_ change how we, as voters, look at government finances. Why, even Gunner might think twice about the wisdom of cutting Warren Buffet's taxes if that translates directly into a bigger balance due on _Gunner's_ debt account :-) -- Tony P. |
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Carl Nisarel wrote:
Suffering from nitrogen narcosis, Gunner sputtered -- Sooner or later..the price will reach the point that no one can afford a house. carl nisarel, the master of typically snide, irrelevant comments, puked: Your ignorance of basic economics is amazing but not surprising. Do you have anything of substance to contribute? Certainly have not noticed anything worthwhile from you in a long time. Hmm, maybe never. Why do you not give some enlightenment to the discussion? Anyone can just sit at their keyboard and snipe. michael |
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OT-CNN: Bush Got Bounce From Dem Convention
In article , tonyp says...
I say again: let's privatize the national debt. Sorry but I gotta say it. This is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Not because it's not a good idea in principle, but I am horrified to think what would happen after this was done. Basically the last thing a bankrupt person needs is somebody giving them another credit card. Once the debt was paid down, the politicians would go on a spending spree. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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