Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes more.
No need for a sideburner.........

We have been buying cheaper grills and after 3 to 5 years wind up
trashing them and buying a new one again...Now the wife wants a good
grill. So far we have looked at the Weber Genisis series as well as
the Ducane and also Vermont Castings lineup....

It does not have to be a huge grill as its mainly just the wife and I
most times.

While the cheap grills are fine, parts later on are a pain to obtain
if at all possible, and most we have ever owned the burners just do
not hold up very long.


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The original frugal ponder ! Koi-ahoi mates....

I like the Weber Genisis.

"Roy" wrote in message
...
Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes more.
No need for a sideburner.........

We have been buying cheaper grills and after 3 to 5 years wind up
trashing them and buying a new one again...Now the wife wants a good
grill. So far we have looked at the Weber Genisis series as well as
the Ducane and also Vermont Castings lineup....

It does not have to be a huge grill as its mainly just the wife and I
most times.

While the cheap grills are fine, parts later on are a pain to obtain
if at all possible, and most we have ever owned the burners just do
not hold up very long.


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The original frugal ponder ! Koi-ahoi mates....

We have a stainless steel natural gas grill from Sams Club, that is
well made and is holding up well. It a little larger than you
describe, but I like that as it has enough capacity when I have
guests.

The other nice feature of it is a smoker tray, it works very well as a
meat smoker. I buy cheap meat like beef brisket, and get a great fatty
smoked meat after 16 hours.

They sell both propane and NG grills.

i

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:24:29 GMT, Roy wrote:
Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes more.
No need for a sideburner.........

We have been buying cheaper grills and after 3 to 5 years wind up
trashing them and buying a new one again...Now the wife wants a good
grill. So far we have looked at the Weber Genisis series as well as
the Ducane and also Vermont Castings lineup....

It does not have to be a huge grill as its mainly just the wife and I
most times.

While the cheap grills are fine, parts later on are a pain to obtain
if at all possible, and most we have ever owned the burners just do
not hold up very long.

Check out www.BigGreenEgg.com

All ceramic cooks and smokes just great.

--
J Miller
"Roy" wrote in message
...
Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes more.
No need for a sideburner.........

We have been buying cheaper grills and after 3 to 5 years wind up
trashing them and buying a new one again...Now the wife wants a good
grill. So far we have looked at the Weber Genisis series as well as
the Ducane and also Vermont Castings lineup....

It does not have to be a huge grill as its mainly just the wife and I
most times.

While the cheap grills are fine, parts later on are a pain to obtain
if at all possible, and most we have ever owned the burners just do
not hold up very long.


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The original frugal ponder ! Koi-ahoi mates....

I just went through the exercise. I first bought a $299 "Thermos" stainless
steel grill from Target that was absolute junk, although when I paid for it,
I thought it was pretty good for the money. Poor design and put together
with pop rivets. A lot of the parts inside were painted steel. Took it
back without even opening the box after doing quite a bit more research and
looking at the floor sample more carefully.

Absolutely the best grill I found out there for the money is a $299
"PerfectGlo Pro Series" stainless grill from BJ's warehouse. I bought one
and couldn't be more pleased. It's head and shoulders above any other grill
I found, even up to around $600. All welded construction (no pop rivets --
OK, I found two, holding the handle onto the studs that it attaches to).
Four (!) grilling burners plus a side burner -- gives lots of options for
direct and indirect grilling. Individual lighters for each burner built
into the valves. Includes a very heavy rotisserie (the one from Target did
not and, even though it had mounting holes for one, the lid was too low to
clear anything on the spit), stainless steel warming grid, cabinet below for
the cylinder and other stuff. Large working surfaces on left and right (the
right one's over the side burner, but I never used the one on my old grill.
Cooks like a dream compared with the old Thermos cast-aluminum grill I
replaced -- just as good as my friend's very expensive Ducane. Heavy
stainless steel tubular burners with heavy gauge ss flame tamers (we'll see
how well they hold up, but almost all of the high end ss grills use
virtually identical components. The only features it doesn't have that the
higher end grills have is a radiant back grill for the rotisserie, and a
smoker drawer for wood chips.

What would I change? The only major thing I would prefer would be a ss
cooking grid instead of the enameled cast iron one this comes with. Except
for this cast iron grid, virtually everything else on it is ss (don't know
what grade, but no rust after four weeks so far). The side burner is on the
right, where I like to lay stuff down being right handed, but I never used
the one on the old grill, so I can lay stuff on top of the cover for it. I
would like a tray or hangers to keep tools. It has some very crappy little
hooks for tools, but hell, I can make something better than that with all my
metalworking stuff.

It isn't a $699 Ducane, but it compares very favorably with the one Home
Depot sells for that price. I still can't believe that it's as good as it
is for $299.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Roy" wrote in message
...
Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes more.
No need for a sideburner.........

We have been buying cheaper grills and after 3 to 5 years wind up
trashing them and buying a new one again...Now the wife wants a good
grill. So far we have looked at the Weber Genisis series as well as
the Ducane and also Vermont Castings lineup....

It does not have to be a huge grill as its mainly just the wife and I
most times.

While the cheap grills are fine, parts later on are a pain to obtain
if at all possible, and most we have ever owned the burners just do
not hold up very long.


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The original frugal ponder ! Koi-ahoi mates....

Anyone here ever build their own BBQ? What about burner? What metal would
you use for this?

"Roy" wrote in message
...
Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes more.
No need for a sideburner.........

We have been buying cheaper grills and after 3 to 5 years wind up
trashing them and buying a new one again...Now the wife wants a good
grill. So far we have looked at the Weber Genisis series as well as
the Ducane and also Vermont Castings lineup....

It does not have to be a huge grill as its mainly just the wife and I
most times.

While the cheap grills are fine, parts later on are a pain to obtain
if at all possible, and most we have ever owned the burners just do
not hold up very long.

I have been through more barbecue grills in my lifetime than I can remember.
I now have a three burner Vermont Castings, and love it. It starts first
time every time, regulates heat very well, has good temperature controls,
porcelain racks, and is a pretty blue.

Steve

Anyone here ever build their own BBQ?

Yes and it looks just like a shallow hole in the ground with rocks
around it.

What about burner?

Two used paper plates to start, mesquite wood to burn.

What metal would you use for this?

I had four grates, gave away two so far, prob'ly never need the
fourth, made from 3/16" steel rods. I got them off somebody's
homemade and abandoned rabbit hutch.

Alvin in AZ
ps- what's going on now is nothing more than the 50's commercialism
on steroids.
pps- does your housewife wear a smile and an apron while she cleans
her kitchen?
ppps- those guys in Rio Linda California don't got nuthin on me
except maybe greener weeds?

I'm trying to decide on a new gas grill right now as well. I'm not a big fan
of consumer reports, but I've been told they recently did a grill shootout
and picked the Costco stainless grill (don't remember the make) as the best.

We want one that will do well with a rotisserie, as we cook this way quite a
bit. Costco has one with a rotisserie and rotisserie back burner for $700
and a smaller one without a rotisserie and no rotisserie backburner for
$400. But it looks like you could buy an add-on rotisserie and bolt it to
the $400 model.

However, it seems to me that the backburner could be pretty important to
good rotisserie cooking performance? Seems like you could be burning up a
lot of gas while a turkey or several chickens are turning away in that large
cavernous undercover area. More heat on the rotisserie the better??? Anybody
do much cooking with a rotisserie on a gas grill???

Thanks
Wayne

"Roy" wrote in message
...
Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes more.
No need for a sideburner.........

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:24:29 GMT, (Roy) wrote:

Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes more.
No need for a sideburner.........

We have been buying cheaper grills and after 3 to 5 years wind up
trashing them and buying a new one again...Now the wife wants a good
grill. So far we have looked at the Weber Genisis series as well as
the Ducane and also Vermont Castings lineup....

It does not have to be a huge grill as its mainly just the wife and I
most times.

While the cheap grills are fine, parts later on are a pain to obtain
if at all possible, and most we have ever owned the burners just do
not hold up very long.
I bought a Char-broil 100 from HD eleven years ago and had to replace
the cooking grill last year after the rods were getting rusted/scraped
dangerously thin. The rock grate has a strip of sheet mild steel over
the burner area which I have replaced twice. The original burner and
push button ignitor are still in service.
Original cost for this basic, no frills, no bells, no whistles
burger/steak cooker was just over Cdn.$100 including new propane tank.
The best thing about this unit is that I am still on the original
burner, whereas the previous grill needed a new $50 burner every other
year.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

(Roy) writes:

We have been buying cheaper grills and after 3 to 5 years wind up
trashing them and buying a new one again...Now the wife wants a good
grill. So far we have looked at the Weber Genisis series as well as
the Ducane and also Vermont Castings lineup....

I have a Weber Genesis and has really been happy with it. At first I
was upset because I can't just turn on the left burner and cook a
small steak. I had to use 2 or more burners.

But then I really learned how to use direct and indirect heat, and
find the three burner system great. Also, I can cook a thick steak,
and get the outside well seared, but the inside perfect.

I've been using the indirect heating system more. The middle burner is
off, and the front and back are on, with the meat in the middle. I
combine the direct searing with the indirect when I want to make sure
a thick piece of meat is cooked.

The auto-starter works well. After four years, I have to press the
started twice, but every other grill the started failed completely.

I do have to replace the Flavorizer bars. Mine have holes in them.

The Weber cookbooks are very useful as well.

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Roy writes:

most we have ever owned the burners just do
not hold up very long.

I don't see how anything could be different.

You have extreme heat cycling dehydrating the metal, and then storage in a
nightly condensing atmosphere. Top it off with salt contamination (from
cooking).

This is a recipe for any burner to corrode in months or a year or two.

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:11:50 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

Roy writes:

most we have ever owned the burners just do
not hold up very long.

I don't see how anything could be different.

You have extreme heat cycling dehydrating the metal, and then storage in a
nightly condensing atmosphere. Top it off with salt contamination (from
cooking).

This is a recipe for any burner to corrode in months or a year or two.
As mentioned previously, the burner in my Char-broil 100 is now 11
years old and still going strong.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

"Bob Chilcoat" wrote in message
...
I just went through the exercise. I first bought a $299 "Thermos"
stainless

Any recomendations on a natural gas BBQ? When we converted the house from
all electric to NG/electric we had the installers drop a NG pipe on the back
deck, I have been waiting a couple of years for the old propane BBQ to give
up the ghost, and I think this is the year I can finally justify replacing
the old beast (yes, it was an old beast, that wasn't quite good enough to
convert over to NG.)

I'd appreciate any comments along this same thread, but using NG vs. propane
recomendations.

Thanks!
-D

Roy wrote:
Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes more.
No need for a sideburner.........


We've had a Weber Genesis 1000 for almost 12 years now. Never a problem. It
has been stored outside out of the rain all this time. I live in San Francisco,
so the climate is mild.

The only maintenance I have had to do over those years, is replace the enameled
"flavoriser bars" with stainless steel ones. The original ones finally rusted
through. And I had to clean out all the holes in the three burners once, with a
small reamer.

The igniter has never failed.

Being from Holland, where nobody (or at least very few) had a yard when I was
growing up, and absolutely nobody grilled anything, this has been the perfect
grill for a total beginner. I'm a regular Yankee now, thanks to my Weber, it
makes me feel so American.

Every year at Thanksgiving (a nonexistent holiday in Holland) I grill the family
turkey on it (I hate turkey), and am told every time, that it is juicy and perfect.
--
Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:24:29 GMT, (Roy) wrote:

Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes more.
No need for a sideburner.........

We have been buying cheaper grills and after 3 to 5 years wind up
trashing them and buying a new one again...Now the wife wants a good
grill. So far we have looked at the Weber Genisis series as well as
the Ducane and also Vermont Castings lineup....

It does not have to be a huge grill as its mainly just the wife and I
most times.

While the cheap grills are fine, parts later on are a pain to obtain
if at all possible, and most we have ever owned the burners just do
not hold up very long.
I bought a Char-broil 100 from HD eleven years ago and had to replace
the cooking grill last year after the rods were getting rusted/scraped
dangerously thin. The rock grate has a strip of sheet mild steel over
the burner area which I have replaced twice. The original burner and
push button ignitor are still in service.
Original cost for this basic, no frills, no bells, no whistles
burger/steak cooker was just over Cdn.$100 including new propane tank.
The best thing about this unit is that I am still on the original
burner, whereas the previous grill needed a new $50 burner every other
year.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada


I have a Weber Genesis myself, Have it bolted to the deck and converted
to use the big tank that also feeds the house. Only thing I will say is
to get one that has stainless flavorizer bars and either stainless or
cast iron grates. The cheaper ones only last about 4 years before they
rust. If you plan on doing any rotisserie cooking get the Weber unit, it
fits better and is very well made. I know a Ducane dealer (same guy who
sells me propane) He told me that he uses a Weber himself because the
Ducane is EXPENSIVE to repair. He said that he has replaced the burners,
grates and the handles on his Ducane twice in 6 years.

I have been looking at the dual fuel units myself (wood pellet and
propane) They are not cheap but it looks like they are built pretty
stout and might offer some more ability for smoking and roasting.
http://www.americangrills.com

http://www.traegergrills.com/ wood pellet only BUT have a gas kit that
fits them

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On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:24:29 GMT, (Roy) wrote:

If you want something that lasts forever, have a look at:
http://www.hollandgrill.com/

Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes more.
No need for a sideburner.........

We have been buying cheaper grills and after 3 to 5 years wind up
trashing them and buying a new one again...Now the wife wants a good
grill. So far we have looked at the Weber Genisis series as well as
the Ducane and also Vermont Castings lineup....

It does not have to be a huge grill as its mainly just the wife and I
most times.

While the cheap grills are fine, parts later on are a pain to obtain
if at all possible, and most we have ever owned the burners just do
not hold up very long.


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http://www.vikingrange.com/outdoor/od_gasgrills.html

"Speechless" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:24:29 GMT, (Roy) wrote:

If you want something that lasts forever, have a look at:
http://www.hollandgrill.com/

Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes more.
No need for a sideburner.........

We have been buying cheaper grills and after 3 to 5 years wind up
trashing them and buying a new one again...Now the wife wants a good
grill. So far we have looked at the Weber Genisis series as well as
the Ducane and also Vermont Castings lineup....

It does not have to be a huge grill as its mainly just the wife and I
most times.

While the cheap grills are fine, parts later on are a pain to obtain
if at all possible, and most we have ever owned the burners just do
not hold up very long.


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Well we went with the Weber Silver B model. I still am not convinced
that its worth the retail price but it seems that no matter where you
buy them they are within a few bucks of each other so your not really
saving much. Places that list them at $400 want an additional $140+
for shipping etc.

I did manage to save a few bucks from HD though. I am not a supporter
of paying assembly fees, nor prone to buying items that are assembled
by store personel even if its done free, so we looked long and hard
around this area for one in the box, but had to settle for one already
assembled. Just a quick look over revealed lots of loose fasteners,
fasteners not installed, and fasteners without washers etc according
to instruction sheet, so I brought this to the dept managers
attention, telling him I am buying a inferior product due to the lack
of whoever assembled it to follow instructions and it will be me or
whoever it is in the end that buys it thats gonna bite the bullet on
improper installation / assembly. He agreed, and knocked off an
additional $75 bucks from their price.....I can handle that just fine,
but the folks that assemble things for customers in these stores sure
do leave a lot to be desired. I seen a vaccuum trailer for a lawn and
garden tractor that was preassembled in Lowes, and inside the trailers
enclosed body was a heap of left over hardware, mainly washers, and
spacers etc........which on such items made out of thin soft steel
washers are almost a must have to help prevent distortion and pull
tthrough of bolted items.....

So anyhow, we have used it 5 times already, and it seems to work fine,
and as well built as it is, its still a lot of money for what you
realy get, IMHO......but as long as the wife is happy, thats what
counts.
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I have a ffunny bbq related story. I was tinkering around with a
weedwacker motor one day and it was seized up bad. I tapped on it and
soaked it with oil for a few days. No luck.
I drained all the oil out of the cylindr thru the spark plug hole and
put a little water in there. The ports were completely blocked. Spark
plug back in and on the barby it goes. I figured it would just ease the
piston out becaus the flame was on very low. WRONG. after about 15
minutes I hear a loud explosion and run outside to find that the piston
had sjhot right thru the side of the lid and all the way across the
street. My neighbors were not pleased

WOW! What a timely thread. My wife and I have been discussing exactly
this subject, and
yesterday the accountant informed us that we were actually going to get a
tax refund this year.
(Yes, I know, my own money back that someone has been using interest free
for a year. Grrrr.)

Looks like the Weber Genesis Gold is first choice at this point. Has the
stainless cooking
surface and flavorizers. Still undecided on B (without) or C (with)
sideburner.

Thanks,

Bill

"Roy" wrote in message
...
Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes more.
No need for a sideburner.........

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:35:44 GMT, "Bill Marrs"
wrote:

WOW! What a timely thread. My wife and I have been discussing exactly
this subject, and
yesterday the accountant informed us that we were actually going to get a
tax refund this year.
(Yes, I know, my own money back that someone has been using interest free
for a year. Grrrr.)

Looks like the Weber Genesis Gold is first choice at this point. Has the
stainless cooking
surface and flavorizers. Still undecided on B (without) or C (with)
sideburner.

Thanks,

Bill

"Roy" wrote in message
. ..
Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes more.
No need for a sideburner.........

Can't beat the Weber Genesis or it's first cousin, the Broil King.
Both are made just down the road from me by Onward Machine (T.A.W.Co)
in Kitchener Ontario.
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Roy wrote:

Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes more.
No need for a sideburner.........

We have been buying cheaper grills and after 3 to 5 years wind up
trashing them and buying a new one again...Now the wife wants a good
grill. So far we have looked at the Weber Genisis series as well as
the Ducane and also Vermont Castings lineup....

It does not have to be a huge grill as its mainly just the wife and I
most times.

While the cheap grills are fine, parts later on are a pain to obtain
if at all possible, and most we have ever owned the burners just do
not hold up very long.




GLOAT!!!:

Driving by a moving sale last summer, I found a Charbroiler with
sideburner used only once and picked it up for $70 (contents of wallet).
The grill came with a full tank, too. :-)

Fred

I have a Genesis Gold with side burner, a real gem ! It's 4 years old
and never had a problem, the ignitors always work too. The side burner
on "low" is a little hotter than a regular stove on "low", making it
difficult to keep things warm without burning / boiling over. It is one
well made piece of equipment !
Bill Marrs wrote:
WOW! What a timely thread. My wife and I have been discussing exactly
this subject, and
yesterday the accountant informed us that we were actually going to get a
tax refund this year.
(Yes, I know, my own money back that someone has been using interest free
for a year. Grrrr.)

Looks like the Weber Genesis Gold is first choice at this point. Has the
stainless cooking
surface and flavorizers. Still undecided on B (without) or C (with)
sideburner.

Thanks,

Bill

"Roy" wrote in message
...
Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes more.
No need for a sideburner.........

Welcome to the Weber Family. I started with a Silver B. Then added a
rotisserie and stainless bars and cooking grills once the old ones
rusted out(HD has the best local price for parts around here). I also
hooked that one into the big tank. Read about the indirect cooking
method it makes a BIG difference on some things. Smoker boxes work good
in them as well. One thing to look for, if the temperature on the grill
only hits about 300 degrees when the knobs are on high, check the tank
fitting. The regulator on mine had a very SMALL gas inlet and it would
get blocked by a piece in the valve on the tank.

--
Steve Williams

"Roy" wrote in message
...
Well we went with the Weber Silver B model. I still am not convinced
that its worth the retail price but it seems that no matter where you
buy them they are within a few bucks of each other so your not really
saving much. Places that list them at $400 want an additional $140+
for shipping etc.

I did manage to save a few bucks from HD though. I am not a supporter
of paying assembly fees, nor prone to buying items that are assembled
by store personel even if its done free, so we looked long and hard
around this area for one in the box, but had to settle for one already
assembled. Just a quick look over revealed lots of loose fasteners,
fasteners not installed, and fasteners without washers etc according
to instruction sheet, so I brought this to the dept managers
attention, telling him I am buying a inferior product due to the lack
of whoever assembled it to follow instructions and it will be me or
whoever it is in the end that buys it thats gonna bite the bullet on
improper installation / assembly. He agreed, and knocked off an
additional $75 bucks from their price.....I can handle that just fine,
but the folks that assemble things for customers in these stores sure
do leave a lot to be desired. I seen a vaccuum trailer for a lawn and

garden tractor that was preassembled in Lowes, and inside the trailers
enclosed body was a heap of left over hardware, mainly washers, and
spacers etc........which on such items made out of thin soft steel
washers are almost a must have to help prevent distortion and pull
tthrough of bolted items.....

So anyhow, we have used it 5 times already, and it seems to work fine,
and as well built as it is, its still a lot of money for what you
realy get, IMHO......but as long as the wife is happy, thats what
counts.
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The stainless cooking surfaces are nice, They are interchangeable with
the enameled ones as well. I had one grill with a sideburner and it was
OK but the design made it hard to control the flame reliably. So I
cheated an installed a two burner cooktop unit next to the grill. Put a
roof and wind shield around it and I can cook year around (even in the
snow)

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Steve Williams


"Bill Marrs" wrote in message
news:QyN%f.961$MU4.723@trnddc03...
WOW! What a timely thread. My wife and I have been discussing
exactly
this subject, and
yesterday the accountant informed us that we were actually going to
get a
tax refund this year.
(Yes, I know, my own money back that someone has been using interest
free
for a year. Grrrr.)

Looks like the Weber Genesis Gold is first choice at this point. Has
the
stainless cooking
surface and flavorizers. Still undecided on B (without) or C (with)
sideburner.

Thanks,

Bill

"Roy" wrote in message
...
Well they are made out of metal so its got metal content....anyway
anyone have any opinions on a decent LP gas grill...We use ours hard
all year round, and usually cook out 5 out of 7 days, sometimes
more.
No need for a sideburner.........





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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:34:01 GMT, (Roy) wrote:


but the folks that assemble things for customers in these stores sure
do leave a lot to be desired. I seen a vaccuum trailer for a lawn and
garden tractor that was preassembled in Lowes, and inside the trailers
enclosed body was a heap of left over hardware, mainly washers, and
spacers etc........which on such items made out of thin soft steel
washers are almost a must have to help prevent distortion and pull
tthrough of bolted items.....

When this fellow runs out of assembly work he either sweeps floors or
sorts leftover hardware into "sale" lots.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:34:01 GMT, (Roy) wrote:


but the folks that assemble things for customers in these stores sure
do leave a lot to be desired. I seen a vaccuum trailer for a lawn and
garden tractor that was preassembled in Lowes, and inside the trailers
enclosed body was a heap of left over hardware, mainly washers, and
spacers etc........which on such items made out of thin soft steel
washers are almost a must have to help prevent distortion and pull
tthrough of bolted items.....

When this fellow runs out of assembly work he either sweeps floors or
sorts leftover hardware into "sale" lots.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
Ha! When I pulled the back seat out of my 69 Camero I found a big fistfull
of screws and washers in a GM assembly plant paper coffee cup. Never did
find out where they were supposed to go.

Glenn

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:37:40 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Glenn" quickly quoth:

"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
When this fellow runs out of assembly work he either sweeps floors or
sorts leftover hardware into "sale" lots.

Ha! When I pulled the back seat out of my 69 Camero I found a big fistfull
of screws and washers in a GM assembly plant paper coffee cup. Never did
find out where they were supposed to go.

Was that a Monday Morning or a Friday Afternoon model, Glenn?
"That's typical of a GM product, though." said the Ford man.
(View any 20 years of data from Consumer Reports to see why.)


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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:37:40 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Glenn" quickly quoth:

"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
When this fellow runs out of assembly work he either sweeps floors or
sorts leftover hardware into "sale" lots.

Ha! When I pulled the back seat out of my 69 Camero I found a big
fistfull
of screws and washers in a GM assembly plant paper coffee cup. Never did
find out where they were supposed to go.

Was that a Monday Morning or a Friday Afternoon model, Glenn?
"That's typical of a GM product, though." said the Ford man.
(View any 20 years of data from Consumer Reports to see why.)

I don't recall .. but it had other fine things that cured me of GM. For
example a TH250 behind a 327/300. Tranny went at about 50K miles. Then
there is the nice quiet plastic timing sprocket. The only GM product you
find in my stable is the 63 vette that came with the wife My 40 1/2 ton
was ok though

clare at snyder.on.ca wrote in news:m7ev321flitfko6p64glboipi1aejfsnju@
4ax.com:

Can't beat the Weber Genesis or it's first cousin, the Broil King.
Both are made just down the road from me by Onward Machine (T.A.W.Co)
in Kitchener Ontario.

I'm pretty sure that the Weber is made either in Palatine, Il. or in
Huntley, Il. I've never been inside either plant, but they are bigger than
you would expect.

They're hiring.

http://www.weber.com/bbq/pub/contact/jobs.aspx

But that's what happens when people spend a little extra to buy something
decent that's made here.

My Genesis B is going on 6 years old and still works perfectly. Even the
igniter.

On 11 Apr 2006 03:05:43 GMT, Bruce Barnett
wrote:
(Roy) writes:

We have been buying cheaper grills and after 3 to 5 years wind up
trashing them and buying a new one again...Now the wife wants a good
grill. So far we have looked at the Weber Genisis series as well as
the Ducane and also Vermont Castings lineup....
After looking at them all, Webers Genisis still has a better
warranty.........Vermont CAstings while they make a great wood stove
for heat etc, their grils seem to leave a lot to be desired......That
big open area under it could easily be enclosed and the slope of the
hood could be make less ....


I have a Weber Genesis and has really been happy with it. At first I
was upset because I can't just turn on the left burner and cook a
small steak. I had to use 2 or more burners.



But then I really learned how to use direct and indirect heat, and
find the three burner system great. Also, I can cook a thick steak,
and get the outside well seared, but the inside perfect.

After buying a WEBER Genisis grill all we can afford to eat now is
paper thin steaks or hamburger....... ;-)


I've been using the indirect heating system more. The middle burner is
off, and the front and back are on, with the meat in the middle. I
combine the direct searing with the indirect when I want to make sure
a thick piece of meat is cooked.

The wife seems to like the indirect / direct heating methods as well.
NIce to sear a steak fast and then just get the insides warm (like em
extremely rare inside but seared well outside) . Harder to do on other
grill without getting insides too well done or dry.

The auto-starter works well. After four years, I have to press the
started twice, but every other grill the started failed completely.


Our starter never worked from day one on the Weber....Weber is sending
a replacement........looks like whoever assembled grill managed to
breaka off the terminal for the one wire that goes in the center
porcelain insulator.......yet another reason I d not like preassembled
items from big box stores.
I do have to replace the Flavorizer bars. Mine have holes in them.

I just finished cutting and bending up a replacement set
already.......for that day...Made em out of some titanium I had. I had
a vaporizer bar I madeout of titanium for the old Thermos brand and
Charbroil brand grills that stil look as good as the day I made
them.......I figure once these porcelain coated steel opnes go south,
the titanium ones will be here until I die or the grill goes to
heaven.

The Weber cookbooks are very useful as well.

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On 15 Apr 2006 23:02:36 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

clare at snyder.on.ca wrote in news:m7ev321flitfko6p64glboipi1aejfsnju@
4ax.com:

Can't beat the Weber Genesis or it's first cousin, the Broil King.
Both are made just down the road from me by Onward Machine (T.A.W.Co)
in Kitchener Ontario.

I'm pretty sure that the Weber is made either in Palatine, Il. or in
Huntley, Il. I've never been inside either plant, but they are bigger than
you would expect.

They're hiring.

http://www.weber.com/bbq/pub/contact/jobs.aspx

But that's what happens when people spend a little extra to buy something
decent that's made here.

My Genesis B is going on 6 years old and still works perfectly. Even the
igniter.


I believe they are made in more than one plant.
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We got a Silver several years ago. We use BBQ's 12 months a year - snow or rain - whatever.
The silver is giving us great results - standing up - and still good as new.
Our last one lasted 4 years(not Weber) but the previous one lasted far longer than I care
to admit - I kept re-building it - We had a super large one - cooked large turkeys on a spit
and even baked cakes. It died - bought a low value, medium cost that was crap. So we bought
the quality one and have been happy (with it :-) ) ever since.

Martin

Martin Eastburn
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Roy wrote:
Well we went with the Weber Silver B model. I still am not convinced
that its worth the retail price but it seems that no matter where you
buy them they are within a few bucks of each other so your not really
saving much. Places that list them at $400 want an additional $140+
for shipping etc.

I did manage to save a few bucks from HD though. I am not a supporter
of paying assembly fees, nor prone to buying items that are assembled
by store personel even if its done free, so we looked long and hard
around this area for one in the box, but had to settle for one already
assembled. Just a quick look over revealed lots of loose fasteners,
fasteners not installed, and fasteners without washers etc according
to instruction sheet, so I brought this to the dept managers
attention, telling him I am buying a inferior product due to the lack
of whoever assembled it to follow instructions and it will be me or
whoever it is in the end that buys it thats gonna bite the bullet on
improper installation / assembly. He agreed, and knocked off an
additional $75 bucks from their price.....I can handle that just fine,
but the folks that assemble things for customers in these stores sure
do leave a lot to be desired. I seen a vaccuum trailer for a lawn and
garden tractor that was preassembled in Lowes, and inside the trailers
enclosed body was a heap of left over hardware, mainly washers, and
spacers etc........which on such items made out of thin soft steel
washers are almost a must have to help prevent distortion and pull
tthrough of bolted items.....

So anyhow, we have used it 5 times already, and it seems to work fine,
and as well built as it is, its still a lot of money for what you
realy get, IMHO......but as long as the wife is happy, thats what
counts.

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Having worked as plant protection - in the late 60's - they were likely the
hot supply so someone could walk down the line with the car and finish a task.

Likely it was at end of shift and someone ditched it.

Now you have spare parts!

Martin

Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH & Endowment Member
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member


Glenn wrote:
"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:34:01 GMT, (Roy) wrote:



but the folks that assemble things for customers in these stores sure
do leave a lot to be desired. I seen a vaccuum trailer for a lawn and
garden tractor that was preassembled in Lowes, and inside the trailers
enclosed body was a heap of left over hardware, mainly washers, and
spacers etc........which on such items made out of thin soft steel
washers are almost a must have to help prevent distortion and pull
tthrough of bolted items.....


When this fellow runs out of assembly work he either sweeps floors or
sorts leftover hardware into "sale" lots.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

Ha! When I pulled the back seat out of my 69 Camero I found a big fistfull
of screws and washers in a GM assembly plant paper coffee cup. Never did
find out where they were supposed to go.

Glenn



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