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Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane
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Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? Yes, but it is one of those things that you are never going to correct. I feel the same way about people that use the term "hot water heater". -- Robert Allison Rimshot, Inc. Georgetown, TX |
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![]() "mm" wrote in message ... Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? Not in the least. Everyone knows what is meant, so what difference does it make? I saw a blow torch at an auction and was going to buy just to see what it did, but somebody thought it was a collectible. Oh well. |
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Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? No, because they do the same thing. However, most people probably couldn't figure out how to start a blow torch without some help and wold consider them extremely dangerous. |
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![]() There is'nt much diference...just figurative. George E. Cawthon wrote: mm wrote: Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? No, because they do the same thing. However, most people probably couldn't figure out how to start a blow torch without some help and wold consider them extremely dangerous. |
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![]() wrote in message oups.com... There is'nt much diference...just figurative. No, there is a huge difference. The old blow torch is nothing at all like the propane torches. Have you ever used a blow torch? Different fuel, different configuration, fillable versus throw away tanks, different flame patterns. Apples and oranges are both fruit, therefore there isn't much difference, just figurative. |
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![]() "George E. Cawthon" wrote in message mm wrote: Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? No, because they do the same thing. However, most people probably couldn't figure out how to start a blow torch without some help and wold consider them extremely dangerous. George, you surprise me. Given your usual exactedness I figured it would bug you as much as me. I realize we cannot change the world's use of language, but I just can't lump together anything that has a flame with blow torches. Picky, I am. |
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![]() Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "George E. Cawthon" wrote in message mm wrote: Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? No, because they do the same thing. However, most people probably couldn't figure out how to start a blow torch without some help and wold consider them extremely dangerous. George, you surprise me. Given your usual exactedness I figured it would bug you as much as me. I realize we cannot change the world's use of language, but I just can't lump together anything that has a flame with blow torches. Picky, I am. Of course key to this discussion and which no one has really addressed, is what exactly is the correct definition of blow torch? I always thought it referred to the antique devices that used gasoline in a like a quart size container attaced to an upper part that was the torch. Like this: http://www.fotosearch.com/PHD248/os04018 In movies or the media, it's common to see that term used to refer to an acetylene cutting torch, but I wouldn't call it that. A quick websearch found this from Wikipedia: A blowtorch has several meanings, which deal with tools that consume fuel. It may mean a:- Cutting torch, a handheld torch used for cutting metal. Blowlamp, a torch using propane or butane; its predecessors used gasoline or kerosene for fuel. One of the G.I.Joe toys is named Blowtorch: he is usually shown with a flamethrower. See blowpipe Also, look at these, which are current ads for propane torches which are called blow torches, but many look remarkably similar to a Bernzomatic and use the same fuel: http://microtorches.ayay.com/BlowTorches.htm http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/0-759 So, what are others opinions of the correct definition of blow torch? |
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Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? No, why should it. It is almost always totally clear what they are talking about. From a legalistic view, consider that it is usage that determines what a word means not the dictionary. The dictionary only reflects usage. So based on that, blow torch now includes propane torches. -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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I hope blowtorches are collectible! I will sell mine on e bay! I only
kinda used it once with my mom when I was a little kid helping strip lead base paint from a porch ![]() I am 49 safety was different back then! E bay here I come............... |
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now what about those people that call twist drills "drill bits". grrrr!
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![]() "Joseph Meehan" wrote in message .. . mm wrote: Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? No, why should it. It is almost always totally clear what they are talking about. From a legalistic view, consider that it is usage that determines what a word means not the dictionary. The dictionary only reflects usage. So based on that, blow torch now includes propane torches. -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit If this bothers someone they should never live in the South. We don't mash potatoes, we mash the lights to turn them on and off. If you "don't care to do something" it means you do want to do it. If someone understands what I mean, then the words are correct. Let my prim and proper Boston English teacher turn over in her grave. Bob |
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Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? It bothers me about as much as someone referring to a "steam roller" when clearly any steam rollers still existing are valuable collector's items. And it bothers me far less than sleazy politicians (an oxymoron, I know) and any number of other daily annoyances. And I do know how to use and have used a blowtorch (oh so many years ago) and given the choice I'd never trade one for my nice self-igniting pushbutton propane torch, thank you very much. -- John McGaw [Knoxville, TN, USA] http://johnmcgaw.com |
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![]() wrote in message oups.com... There is'nt much diference...just figurative. Aside from the seperate oxygen and acetylene tanks you mean? George E. Cawthon wrote: mm wrote: Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? No, because they do the same thing. However, most people probably couldn't figure out how to start a blow torch without some help and wold consider them extremely dangerous. |
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On 20 Mar 2006 04:29:53 -0800, "marson" wrote:
now what about those people that call twist drills "drill bits". grrrr! I may be one of them, not sure. Set me straight, please. I don't want to behave like those who don't know what a blow torch is. |
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:08:04 -0500, John McGaw
wrote: And I do know how to use and have used a blowtorch (oh so many years ago) and given the choice I'd never trade one for my nice self-igniting pushbutton propane torch, thank you very much. I didn't say a propane torch wasn't better, only that they are different things. But since you bring it up, aren't blow torches hotter? I'm not sure why I think they are, except that they burn gasoline, which somehow seems hotter to me than propane. -- John McGaw |
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:20:36 -0500, mm
wrote: On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:08:04 -0500, John McGaw wrote: And I do know how to use and have used a blowtorch (oh so many years ago) and given the choice I'd never trade one for my nice self-igniting pushbutton propane torch, thank you very much. I didn't say a propane torch wasn't better, only that they are different things. But since you bring it up, aren't blow torches hotter? I'm not sure why I think they are, except that they burn gasoline, which somehow seems hotter to me than propane. -- John McGaw |
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:19:15 -0700, "GotBonus?"
wrote: wrote in message roups.com... There is'nt much diference...just figurative. Aside from the seperate oxygen and acetylene tanks you mean? No. That's an acetylene torch, a third kind. Blow torches run on gasoline, iiuc. George E. Cawthon wrote: mm wrote: Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? No, because they do the same thing. However, most people probably couldn't figure out how to start a blow torch without some help and wold consider them extremely dangerous. |
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John McGaw wrote:
And it bothers me far less than sleazy politicians (an oxymoron, I know) "Sleazy politician" is a redundancy, not an oxymoron :-) -- --Marc |
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![]() "Robert Allison" wrote in message news ![]() mm wrote: Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? Yes, but it is one of those things that you are never going to correct. I feel the same way about people that use the term "hot water heater". It has to be a hot water heater... Who wants to heat the cold water, or have cold hot water :-) |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "George E. Cawthon" wrote in message mm wrote: Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? No, because they do the same thing. However, most people probably couldn't figure out how to start a blow torch without some help and wold consider them extremely dangerous. George, you surprise me. Given your usual exactedness I figured it would bug you as much as me. I realize we cannot change the world's use of language, but I just can't lump together anything that has a flame with blow torches. Picky, I am. Of course key to this discussion and which no one has really addressed, is what exactly is the correct definition of blow torch? I always thought it referred to the antique devices that used gasoline in a like a quart size container attaced to an upper part that was the torch. Like this: http://www.fotosearch.com/PHD248/os04018 In movies or the media, it's common to see that term used to refer to an acetylene cutting torch, but I wouldn't call it that. A quick websearch found this from Wikipedia: A blowtorch has several meanings, which deal with tools that consume fuel. It may mean a:- Cutting torch, a handheld torch used for cutting metal. Blowlamp, a torch using propane or butane; its predecessors used gasoline or kerosene for fuel. One of the G.I.Joe toys is named Blowtorch: he is usually shown with a flamethrower. See blowpipe Also, look at these, which are current ads for propane torches which are called blow torches, but many look remarkably similar to a Bernzomatic and use the same fuel: http://microtorches.ayay.com/BlowTorches.htm http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/0-759 So, what are others opinions of the correct definition of blow torch? The antique you showed is a blow torch. More modern ones are a bit different. An acetylene torch is just that, a propane torch is just that, and a flame thrower is just that. However that doesn't keep people from making up names or using slang or the terms incorrectly. The blow refers to requiring a pump to build pressure and blow the flammable material out. Modern gas torches don't have pumps, so they just spew. Should we call them spew torches? A flame thrower could be a blow something, it isn't a torch. Nothing that shoots burning material 10's of feet can possibly be called a torch unless one also thinks a bulb type baster is also a medicine dropper. |
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:08:04 -0500, John McGaw
wrote: mm wrote: Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? It bothers me about as much as someone referring to a "steam roller" when clearly any steam rollers still existing are valuable collector's items. And it bothers me far less than sleazy politicians (an oxymoron, I know) and any number of other daily annoyances. And I do know how to use and have used a blowtorch (oh so many years ago) and given the choice I'd never trade one for my nice self-igniting pushbutton propane torch, thank you very much. my peeve is ATM Machine, or any other acronym where folks feel like they have to say the last word of what they are talking about...why not say, ATM and leave it at that? why do we feel compelled to say "machine"? an oxymoron is sometimes ironic and always contradicting...like honest politician, deafening silence, military intelligence, calling a tall man shorty, a fat man tiny, or a bald man curly. sleazy politician is an editorial, an opinion, and unfortunately, a bunch of the time true. |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:46:12 GMT, nanook wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:08:04 -0500, John McGaw wrote: mm wrote: Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? It bothers me about as much as someone referring to a "steam roller" when clearly any steam rollers still existing are valuable collector's items. And it bothers me far less than sleazy politicians (an oxymoron, I know) and any number of other daily annoyances. And I do know how to use and have used a blowtorch (oh so many years ago) and given the choice I'd never trade one for my nice self-igniting pushbutton propane torch, thank you very much. my peeve is ATM Machine, or any other acronym where folks feel like they have to say the last word of what they are talking about...why not say, ATM and leave it at that? why do we feel compelled to say "machine"? I hear "PIN Number" a lot. an oxymoron is sometimes ironic and always contradicting...like honest politician, deafening silence, military intelligence, calling a tall man shorty, a fat man tiny, or a bald man curly. sleazy politician is an editorial, an opinion, and unfortunately, a bunch of the time true. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin |
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"mm" wrote in message
... Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? So I guess that the blow torch of yester year has evolved into the blow torn of today aka the propane torch. How many of us have several 'cressent wrenches"? |
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![]() "buffalobill" wrote in message oups.com... http://www.answers.com/blowtorch Simple definition, but not very detailed. It does not mix just oxygen in true terms as the original blow torches used air. Oxy-Acetylene torches (as well as a few others) use compressed oxygen combining the gasses at the tip. .. Original design was a gasoline powered torch that blew air with the fuel. . |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:46:12 GMT, nanook wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:08:04 -0500, John McGaw wrote: mm wrote: Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? It bothers me about as much as someone referring to a "steam roller" when clearly any steam rollers still existing are valuable collector's items. And it bothers me far less than sleazy politicians (an oxymoron, I know) and any number of other daily annoyances. And I do know how to use and have used a blowtorch (oh so many years ago) and given the choice I'd never trade one for my nice self-igniting pushbutton propane torch, thank you very much. my peeve is ATM Machine, or any other acronym where folks feel like they have to say the last word of what they are talking about...why not say, ATM and leave it at that? why do we feel compelled to say "machine"? an oxymoron is sometimes ironic and always contradicting...like honest politician, deafening silence, military intelligence, calling a tall man shorty, a fat man tiny, or a bald man curly. I think these last three have another name that is more specific than oxymoron. One that pretty much only applies to examples like yours. but I forget what it is called. sleazy politician is an editorial, an opinion, and unfortunately, a bunch of the time true. |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:10:12 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote: On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:46:12 GMT, nanook wrote: On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:08:04 -0500, John McGaw wrote: my peeve is ATM Machine, or any other acronym where folks feel like they have to say the last word of what they are talking about...why not say, ATM and leave it at that? why do we feel compelled to say "machine"? I hear "PIN Number" a lot. I always call it a password and the people at the bank rarely know what I'm talking about. |
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On 21 Mar 2006 18:58:22 +0100, "No" wrote:
"mm" wrote in message .. . Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? So I guess that the blow torch of yester year has evolved into the blow torn of today aka the propane torch. Even that wouuldn't be so bad. But they were just called propane torches for decades, and only in the last decade have some started callihg them blow torches. If they got along without calling them blow torches for decades, they could have managed forever. How many of us have several 'cressent wrenches"? I do. I have several crescent wrenches. Not all by Crescent. I have water pump pliers, too. |
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:42:03 -0500, mm
wrote: On 21 Mar 2006 18:58:22 +0100, "No" wrote: "mm" wrote in message . .. Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? So I guess that the blow torch of yester year has evolved into the blow torn of today aka the propane torch. Even that wouuldn't be so bad. But they were just called propane torches for decades, and only in the last decade have some started callihg them blow torches. If they got along without calling them blow torches for decades, they could have managed forever. When gasoline torches are the default type of blowtorch, you call a propane torch something different to make the distinction. SInce gasoline torches are now vanishingly rare, it makes perfect sense to apply the generic term "blowtorch" to the most common form in use: The propane torch. |
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![]() "Goedjn" wrote in message When gasoline torches are the default type of blowtorch, you call a propane torch something different to make the distinction. SInce gasoline torches are now vanishingly rare, it makes perfect sense to apply the generic term "blowtorch" to the most common form in use: The propane torch. Makes no sensr to me. If a propane torch becomes a blow torch, then it is no longer a propane torch. Now that MAPP gass is becoming more popular, that makies it even more confusing. George Forman aside, our parents usually give our siblings different names so we know who they and who they aren't. |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:18:26 -0500, Goedjn wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:42:03 -0500, mm wrote: On 21 Mar 2006 18:58:22 +0100, "No" wrote: "mm" wrote in message ... Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? So I guess that the blow torch of yester year has evolved into the blow torn of today aka the propane torch. Even that wouuldn't be so bad. But they were just called propane torches for decades, and only in the last decade have some started callihg them blow torches. If they got along without calling them blow torches for decades, they could have managed forever. When gasoline torches are the default type of blowtorch, you call a propane torch something different to make the distinction. SInce gasoline torches are now vanishingly rare, it makes perfect sense to apply the generic term I see your argument but it reminds me of an occasion where the only someone dies and people run in and take his stuff. The propane torch had a name, a specific one**, and afaic the gasoline torch had a name that bleonged to it, and should have been retired or assigned to history, "blowtorch" to the most common form in use: The propane torch. **I don't see the point of using a generic name, if that is what it is***, when one could have continued to use the specific name, propane torch. ***It seems to me that by the liberal^^ definition of blowtorch, the only torch that isn't a blowtorch is the kind the villagers carried in the first Frankenstein movie. ![]() ^^And I'm not against liberals or liberalism, except on an occasional case-by-case basis. ![]() grin |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:53:38 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote: "Goedjn" wrote in message When gasoline torches are the default type of blowtorch, you call a propane torch something different to make the distinction. SInce gasoline torches are now vanishingly rare, it makes perfect sense to apply the generic term "blowtorch" to the most common form in use: The propane torch. Makes no sensr to me. If a propane torch becomes a blow torch, then it is no longer a propane torch. Now that MAPP gass is becoming more popular, that makies it even more confusing. George Forman aside, our parents usually give our siblings different names so we know who they and who they aren't. Thats because you decided a-priori that "blowtorch" was a species name, and not a genus name, when in fact "Propane torch", "Gasoline torch", "Mapp Torch", and "Oxy-Acetylene torch" are all species designations within the genus "blowtorch". |
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![]() "Goedjn" wrote in message Thats because you decided a-priori that "blowtorch" was a species name, and not a genus name, when in fact "Propane torch", "Gasoline torch", "Mapp Torch", and "Oxy-Acetylene torch" are all species designations within the genus "blowtorch". I didn't decide anything. The blowtorch was, and still is, a specific type of torch. It existed and co-existed along with many other types of torches. I was not the one that named it, but perhaps the inventor did. Genus name is "torch", but there are specific types, not to be confused with others. You post from an edu account. Perhaps you have been in the hall of ivy for a long time rather than work in the trades. If you asked someone at a jobsite to bring you a blowtorch, you got a blowtorch, not a propane, MAPP, or other type. Go check with the old timers in the maintenance department. |
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Even that wouuldn't be so bad. But they were just called propane torches for decades, and only in the last decade have some started callihg them blow torches. If they got along without calling them blow torches for decades, they could have managed forever. My mother called a propane torch a blowtorch 30 years ago. - Don Klipstein ) |
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![]() "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message et... "George E. Cawthon" wrote in message mm wrote: Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? No, because they do the same thing. However, most people probably couldn't figure out how to start a blow torch without some help and wold consider them extremely dangerous. George, you surprise me. Given your usual exactedness I figured it would bug you as much as me. I realize we cannot change the world's use of language, but I just can't lump together anything that has a flame with blow torches. Picky, I am. Blowtorch From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Blow torch) Jump to: navigation, search A blowtorch has several meanings, which deal with tools that consume fuel. It may mean a:- a.. Cutting torch, a handheld torch used for cutting metal. b.. Blowlamp, a torch using propane or butane; its predecessors used gasoline or kerosene for fuel. c.. One of the G.I.Joe toys is named Blowtorch: he is usually shown with a flamethrower. d.. See blowpipe. |
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![]() "mm" wrote in message ... On 20 Mar 2006 04:29:53 -0800, "marson" wrote: now what about those people that call twist drills "drill bits". grrrr! I may be one of them, not sure. Set me straight, please. I don't want to behave like those who don't know what a blow torch is. Drill bit From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Drill bits are cutting tools used to create cylindrical holes. Bits are held in a tool called a drill, which rotates them and provides axial force to create the hole. |
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![]() "John McGaw" wrote in message ... mm wrote: Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? It bothers me about as much as someone referring to a "steam roller" when clearly any steam rollers still existing are valuable collector's items. And it bothers me far less than sleazy politicians (an oxymoron, I know) and any number of other daily annoyances. And I do know how to use and have used a blowtorch (oh so many years ago) and given the choice I'd never trade one for my nice self-igniting pushbutton propane torch, thank you very much. -- John McGaw [Knoxville, TN, USA] http://johnmcgaw.com A steamroller is a type of heavy machinery which consists of a large tractor and a heavy cylinder that sits in front of it and functions as the front wheel. Steamrollers are generally used in paving roads, to flatten out the surface. |
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Oscar_Lives wrote:
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message et... "George E. Cawthon" wrote in message mm wrote: Does it bother anyone here that so many people refer to a propane torch as a blow torch, and that so few people seem to know what a blow torch is? No, because they do the same thing. However, most people probably couldn't figure out how to start a blow torch without some help and wold consider them extremely dangerous. George, you surprise me. Given your usual exactedness I figured it would bug you as much as me. I realize we cannot change the world's use of language, but I just can't lump together anything that has a flame with blow torches. Picky, I am. Blowtorch From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Blow torch) Jump to: navigation, search A blowtorch has several meanings, which deal with tools that consume fuel. It may mean a:- a.. Cutting torch, a handheld torch used for cutting metal. b.. Blowlamp, a torch using propane or butane; its predecessors used gasoline or kerosene for fuel. c.. One of the G.I.Joe toys is named Blowtorch: he is usually shown with a flamethrower. d.. See blowpipe. If you rely on Wikipedia you are severely limited as there has been considerable criticism of this "resource." Blowlamp, for example, is rather uncommon in the USA (I have never heard it). I doubt many people know what a "blowpipe" is, and the item so called in geology, chemistry, and mineral studies is nothing like a gasoline blowtorch. |
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