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I have read Sam's FAQ and found that the problem is the vertical capacitor.
Is the cap on the circuit board on the "delicate" end of the picture tube? I see one blue cap and I tested it with my fluke and it reads 6.4 (cold) and the value printed on the cap is 4.7. BTW, the TV picture is not as squished once the TV is warm. Is this the right cap to test? I tested the capacitance by finding the solder points on the opposite side of the board and placed my leads there. Is this the right way to test it? Or do I have to remove it from the board for isolation reasons? Thanks in advance! Kevin Model Number: SJ2775BG Serial Number: 191-43290769 PS- If this in fact the problem, where would you guys recommed I get a replacement cap? |
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Suggest you get a qualified service technician to service the set.
"Kevin Cornwell" wrote in message news:KhR0b.3866$j26.3820@lakeread02... I have read Sam's FAQ and found that the problem is the vertical capacitor. Is the cap on the circuit board on the "delicate" end of the picture tube? I see one blue cap and I tested it with my fluke and it reads 6.4 (cold) and the value printed on the cap is 4.7. BTW, the TV picture is not as squished once the TV is warm. Is this the right cap to test? I tested the capacitance by finding the solder points on the opposite side of the board and placed my leads there. Is this the right way to test it? Or do I have to remove it from the board for isolation reasons? Thanks in advance! Kevin Model Number: SJ2775BG Serial Number: 191-43290769 PS- If this in fact the problem, where would you guys recommed I get a replacement cap? |
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Ok... Pulled out a Nichicon 4.7uf 315v 105 C capacitor (H9112) and it
tested bad. Any recommendations on where to find a replacement? How critical is the voltage for match up purposes? I cannot find this particular unit. In fact the closest I could find was a 4.7uf 400v. Help please... ![]() Kevin |
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"Kevin Cornwell" writes:
Ok... Pulled out a Nichicon 4.7uf 315v 105 C capacitor (H9112) and it tested bad. Any recommendations on where to find a replacement? How critical is the voltage for match up purposes? I cannot find this particular unit. In fact the closest I could find was a 4.7uf 400v. Help please... ![]() That would be fine. The 105 degree C would be desirable though. In general, an electrolytic cap can be replaced with one that is modestly higher without any problems as long as it fits. I wouldn't go 10 times higher but up to at least 2X is OK. --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ Home Page: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Site Info: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Important: The email address in this message header may no longer work. To contact me, please use the Feedback Form at repairfaq.org. Thanks. |
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"Kevin Cornwell" writes:
Ok... Pulled out a Nichicon 4.7uf 315v 105 C capacitor (H9112) and it tested bad. Any recommendations on where to find a replacement? How critical is the voltage for match up purposes? I cannot find this particular unit. In fact the closest I could find was a 4.7uf 400v. Help please... ![]() P.S. I do assume it's a normal polarized electrolytic. If by chance it's a non-polarized cap, then a non-polarized replacement must be used. --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ Home Page: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Site Info: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Important: The email address in this message header may no longer work. To contact me, please use the Feedback Form at repairfaq.org. Thanks. |
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Thanks Sam. I appreciate the informative response. (great web site too!)
Kevin "Sam Goldwasser" wrote in message ... "Kevin Cornwell" writes: Ok... Pulled out a Nichicon 4.7uf 315v 105 C capacitor (H9112) and it tested bad. Any recommendations on where to find a replacement? How critical is the voltage for match up purposes? I cannot find this particular unit. In fact the closest I could find was a 4.7uf 400v. Help please... ![]() P.S. I do assume it's a normal polarized electrolytic. If by chance it's a non-polarized cap, then a non-polarized replacement must be used. --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ Home Page: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Site Info: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Important: The email address in this message header may no longer work. To contact me, please use the Feedback Form at repairfaq.org. Thanks. |
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The cap I tested was ok afterall. Just a bit higher microfarad than what is
printed (4.7 vs 5.8). I would like to test the cap(s) on the vertical output IC however I don't know exactly which IC I should be looking for. Is this part of the main board or is it one of the smaller ones? Is there some landmark that gives it away? Is there a website that has components visually marked out? Thanks again... "Sam Goldwasser" wrote in message ... "Kevin Cornwell" writes: Ok... Pulled out a Nichicon 4.7uf 315v 105 C capacitor (H9112) and it tested bad. Any recommendations on where to find a replacement? How critical is the voltage for match up purposes? I cannot find this particular unit. In fact the closest I could find was a 4.7uf 400v. Help please... ![]() P.S. I do assume it's a normal polarized electrolytic. If by chance it's a non-polarized cap, then a non-polarized replacement must be used. --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ Home Page: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Site Info: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Important: The email address in this message header may no longer work. To contact me, please use the Feedback Form at repairfaq.org. Thanks. |
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The cap I tested was ok afterall. Just a bit higher microfarad than what
is printed (4.7 vs 5.8). I would like to test the cap(s) on the vertical output IC however I don't know exactly which IC I should be looking for. Is this part of the main board or is it one of the smaller ones? Is there some landmark that gives it away? Is there a website that has components visually marked out? Thanks again... |
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"Kevin Cornwell" wrote in message news:koN2b.11308$j26.3577@lakeread02...
The cap I tested was ok afterall. Just a bit higher microfarad than what is printed (4.7 vs 5.8). I would like to test the cap(s) on the vertical output IC however I don't know exactly which IC I should be looking for. Is this part of the main board or is it one of the smaller ones? Is there some landmark that gives it away? Is there a website that has components visually marked out? Thanks again... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++ The following is 2 conversations with Donal Percival and myself. With Donalds help I was able to fix my vertical squish problem. If anyone needs the service schematics for a Zenith Model Number: SJ2775BG, send me a note. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Radio Shack does not carry it so I ordered it from partsexpress.com so It may be a few days till I get back to you on how it works out. -kc -----Original Message----- From: Donald Percival [mailto:@] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:44 AM To: Kevin Cornwell Subject: Zienth Vertical Squish (How do I find and test the Capacitor?) Yes a bad cap will cause your squish problem, and no I do not sell parts. Sorry I did not get back to you earllier to tell you this info. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cornwell" To: "Donald Percival" @ Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:12 PM Subject: Zienth Vertical Squish (How do I find and test the Capacitor?) Hi again Donald, The number of the IC that is mounted to the aluminum heat sink is IC2100, 221-550 series. I removed and tested the following caps: Cap. Rated mf Actual mf C2104 100 116 C2108 4.7 4.22 ---Notice this one. CX2105 220 257 CX2109 2200 2350 CX2110 100 110 I now believe that C2108 is the culprit. Upon closer inspection I found that the casing where the two leads come out of the cap is distorted a little bit. (the top of the cap looks ok though). What do you think? Take care, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Donald Percival [mailto:@] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:28 AM To: Kevin Cornwell Subject: Zienth Vertical Squish (How do I find and test the Capacitor?) From looking at the back of the TV, the vert IC is usually on the right side of the TV. So in your case it will be on the right circuit board. I don't know how that TV is set up. The chip could be twards the back of the TV on the right ciruit board, or on the side middle of the board, or in the front of the board by the front of the TV. Look in their and see if you can see an IC chip monted to an aluminum heat sink. If you can give me the number on the chip. A typical vertical output # is AN5521, but that is probably not the one in yours. If you can find some numbers I can look them up in my ECG cross reference book.Another way to tell wher your vert section is, look for wires coming out of the circuit board colored green & yellow, those wires are for vertical. They come out of the main board and go to the picture tube socket. Let me know. Goodluck. ![]() Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cornwell" To: "Donald Percival" @ Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 9:59 PM Subject: Zienth Vertical Squish (How do I find and test the Capacitor?) Hello Donald, I have not received the manual, however I did look for the caps you mentioned. I did not see any C301 C302 caps. I did see some C3xxx and CX3xxx caps. Lots of them. I don't know which is the one. I am not sure which area to go to. Looking at the back of the TV, down at the motherboard(s) I see the following: The floor of the cabinet has 2 mainboards. On the left side you would hook up the cable, rca, s-video and such. On the right side the 110V power is fed. The 2 large boards are nearly the same size and divided up the middle towards the front of the TV. The board on the left has 3 small vertical boards attached at right angles. Does any of this help you help me? Thanks, Kevin Cornwell -----Original Message----- From: Donald Percival [mailto:@] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 9:07 AM To: Kevin Cornwell Subject: Zienth Vertical Squish (How do I find and test the Capacitor?) Hi Kevin, its me again, sorry the numbers will start with c, ie c301, c302 and so on. C meaning capacitor and they or it will be on the mother board or board on the board on the bottom of the TV. The caps will not be on the delicate part of the picture tube, which is the picture tube socket. Well good luck with the service manual, if you have any questions let me know. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cornwell" To: "Donald Percival" @ Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 1:56 AM Subject: Zienth Vertical Squish (How do I find and test the Capacitor?) Thanks for the advice. However I got tired of trying to find information on the net and ordered a service manual to find the vertical cap. The manual costs $42 but it would still be cheaper than a TV repair shop, and I can sell it on ebay. Anyway I will look for those numbers you mentioned and check the manual too. I really appreciate the response, and will post another note to the newsgroup when I figure it all out. Thanks and have a great day! Kevin C -----Original Message----- From: Donald Percival [mailto:@] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 11:51 AM To: Kevin Cornwell Subject: Zienth Vertical Squish (How do I find and test the Capacitor?) Hi Kevin, the best way to check any electrical part is out of the ciruit board.When its in the circuit board, your reading other parts too. Anyways to find the cap,and most of the time its a bad cap or two, find the number of the vertical output. If its say 300 or 302 or something along those lines, your caps will be numbered with the same prefix, such as 301 302 .303. Those are the caps for the vertical section, well I hope this helps, and good luck. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cornwell" Newsgroups: sci.electronics.repair Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: Zienth Vertical Squish (How do I find and test the Capacitor?) I have read Sam's FAQ and found that the problem is the vertical capacitor. Is the cap on the circuit board on the "delicate" end of the picture tube? I see one blue cap and I tested it with my fluke and it reads 6.4 (cold) and the value printed on the cap is 4.7. BTW, the TV picture is not as squished once the TV is warm. Is this the right cap to test? I tested the capacitance by finding the solder points on the opposite side of the board and placed my leads there. Is this the right way to test it? Or do I have to remove it from the board for isolation reasons? Thanks in advance! Kevin Model Number: SJ2775BG Serial Number: 191-43290769 PS- If this in fact the problem, where would you guys recommed I get a Ø replacement cap? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++ Other email conversation with Donald: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Yes a bad cap will cause your squish problem, and no I do not sell parts. Sorry I did not get back to you earllier to tell you this info. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cornwell" To: "Donald Percival" @ Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:12 PM Subject: Zienth Vertical Squish (How do I find and test the Capacitor?) Hi again Donald, The number of the IC that is mounted to the aluminum heat sink is IC2100, 221-550 series. I removed and tested the following caps: Cap. Rated mf Actual mf C2104 100 116 C2108 4.7 4.22 ---Notice this one. CX2105 220 257 CX2109 2200 2350 CX2110 100 110 I now believe that C2108 is the culprit. Upon closer inspection I found that the casing where the two leads come out of the cap is distorted a little bit. (the top of the cap looks ok though). What do you think? Take care, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Donald Percival [mailto:@] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:28 AM To: Kevin Cornwell Subject: Zienth Vertical Squish (How do I find and test the Capacitor?) From looking at the back of the TV, the vert IC is usually on the right side of the TV. So in your case it will be on the right circuit board. I don't know how that TV is set up. The chip could be twards the back of the TV on the right ciruit board, or on the side middle of the board, or in the front of the board by the front of the TV. Look in their and see if you can see an IC chip monted to an aluminum heat sink. If you can give me the number on the chip. A typical vertical output # is AN5521, but that is probably not the one in yours. If you can find some numbers I can look them up in my ECG cross reference book.Another way to tell wher your vert section is, look for wires coming out of the circuit board colored green & yellow, those wires are for vertical. They come out of the main board and go to the picture tube socket. Let me know. Goodluck. ![]() Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cornwell" To: "Donald Percival" @ Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 9:59 PM Subject: Zienth Vertical Squish (How do I find and test the Capacitor?) Hello Donald, I have not received the manual, however I did look for the caps you mentioned. I did not see any C301 C302 caps. I did see some C3xxx and CX3xxx caps. Lots of them. I don't know which is the one. I am not sure which area to go to. Looking at the back of the TV, down at the motherboard(s) I see the following: The floor of the cabinet has 2 mainboards. On the left side you would hook up the cable, rca, s-video and such. On the right side the 110V power is fed. The 2 large boards are nearly the same size and divided up the middle towards the front of the TV. The board on the left has 3 small vertical boards attached at right angles. Does any of this help you help me? Thanks, Kevin Cornwell -----Original Message----- From: Donald Percival [mailto:@] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 9:07 AM To: Kevin Cornwell Subject: Zienth Vertical Squish (How do I find and test the Capacitor?) Hi Kevin, its me again, sorry the numbers will start with c, ie c301, c302 and so on. C meaning capacitor and they or it will be on the mother board or board on the board on the bottom of the TV. The caps will not be on the delicate part of the picture tube, which is the picture tube socket. Well good luck with the service manual, if you have any questions let me know. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cornwell" To: "Donald Percival" @ Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 1:56 AM Subject: Zienth Vertical Squish (How do I find and test the Capacitor?) Thanks for the advice. However I got tired of trying to find information on the net and ordered a service manual to find the vertical cap. The manual costs $42 but it would still be cheaper than a TV repair shop, and I can sell it on ebay. Anyway I will look for those numbers you mentioned and check the manual too. I really appreciate the response, and will post another note to the newsgroup when I figure it all out. Thanks and have a great day! Kevin C -----Original Message----- From: Donald Percival [mailto:@] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 11:51 AM To: Kevin Cornwell Subject: Zienth Vertical Squish (How do I find and test the Capacitor?) Hi Kevin, the best way to check any electrical part is out of the ciruit board.When its in the circuit board, your reading other parts too. Anyways to find the cap,and most of the time its a bad cap or two, find the number of the vertical output. If its say 300 or 302 or something along those lines, your caps will be numbered with the same prefix, such as 301 302 .303. Those are the caps for the vertical section, well I hope this helps, and good luck. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cornwell" Newsgroups: sci.electronics.repair Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: Zienth Vertical Squish (How do I find and test the Capacitor?) I have read Sam's FAQ and found that the problem is the vertical capacitor. Is the cap on the circuit board on the "delicate" end of the picture tube? I see one blue cap and I tested it with my fluke and it reads 6.4 (cold) and the value printed on the cap is 4.7. BTW, the TV picture is not as squished once the TV is warm. Is this the right cap to test? I tested the capacitance by finding the solder points on the opposite side of the board and placed my leads there. Is this the right way to test it? Or do I have to remove it from the board for isolation reasons? Thanks in advance! Kevin Model Number: SJ2775BG Serial Number: 191-43290769 PS- If this in fact the problem, where would you guys recommed I get a replacement cap? |
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