-- A few replies, one answer.

Why do people who post in yEnc get so damn defiant and unhelpful when people
are unable to read what they've posted? I've seen this a zillion times.
A zillion? Seems it must be the standard.

You KNOW you're posting in a format that a considerable number of people aren't
going to be able to read, yet you do it anyway, and when people have trouble
your only answer is to tell them to get a REAL newsreader. Yeah thanks, that's
REAL helpful.
Google is your friend. Try 'free yenc decoder' .

Follow the link in the text post - it will get you close.
What link in what text post?
--The one in rec.woodworking asking aboiut a workbench design....
This is the binaries.pictures group.

yEnc doesn't work so well in this group. A lot of regulars don't use
newsreaders that can handle it. Try reposting without the yEnc.
&
That isn't yEnc. It may be some day, but certainly not now.
Again, this is the binaries group. yenc encoding is the right tool for that job,
and has been for almost a decade.
A brace & bit may be what's needed on rare occasions, but the
power drill is usually more efficient.
Same thing.


Guys, go to woodsmith.com and search for heavy duty workbench
or weekend workbench. Something will come up.
Or pull out your issue of Woodsmith 133 or 66.

On 5/6/2012 5:56 PM, Joe wrote:
-- A few replies, one answer.

Why do people who post in yEnc get so damn defiant and unhelpful when people
are unable to read what they've posted? I've seen this a zillion times.
A zillion? Seems it must be the standard.

Bull****. That's exactly the point; it's NOT the standard, otherwise you
wouldn't need special software to read it.

You KNOW you're posting in a format that a considerable number of people aren't
going to be able to read, yet you do it anyway, and when people have trouble
your only answer is to tell them to get a REAL newsreader. Yeah thanks, that's
REAL helpful.
Google is your friend. Try 'free yenc decoder' .

Once again, you're making my point. Instead of re-posting the pictures in a
format that anyone can easily read, you continue the "defiant" approach of
telling everyone to install special software. I've been a software engineer
for almost 30 years; I don't need instructions on how to use Google or how to
install free software. Too much of this software comes from untrusted sources,
and is the kind of crap that's prone to installing stupid "toolbars" and search
engines and Lord knows what kind of background processes and spyware. I don't
touch the junk.

Follow the link in the text post - it will get you close.
What link in what text post?
--The one in rec.woodworking asking aboiut a workbench design....
This is the binaries.pictures group.

Just because this is "the" binaries.pictures group (there are others you know)
that doesn't mean you can't have "text" conversations. We're having one right
now as a matter of fact. And there is no magic link between this group and
rec.woodworking. Actually mentioning "rec.woodworking" would have been more
helpful, but I can see that you're not much into being helpful.

yEnc doesn't work so well in this group. A lot of regulars don't use
newsreaders that can handle it. Try reposting without the yEnc.
&
That isn't yEnc. It may be some day, but certainly not now.
Again, this is the binaries group. yenc encoding is the right tool for that job,
and has been for almost a decade.

Again, bull****. See http://www.giganews.com/support/#q8.12

"Because yEnc is not an official Usenet standard, there are popular news
clients which don't natively support yEnc encoding. Outlook Express and
Thunderbird being major examples."

A brace& bit may be what's needed on rare occasions, but the
power drill is usually more efficient.
Same thing.

No it's not; that's a ridiculous analogy. A standard moderate size JPEG
attachment is perfectly efficient for 99.9% of what we do here in A.B.P.W., and
it correlates MUCH more closely to a power drill than a brace and bit.
Besides, what good is your super-efficient power drill to me if it uses some
goofy European plug and doesn't run on 110AC?

Unless you are posting some VERY large binaries (like full-length movies), any
efficiency gains provided by yEnc are negligible and are outweighed by the
inconvenience of it being a non-standard format that the most widely-used
readers don't support.

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On 5/6/2012 5:56 PM, Joe wrote:

That isn't yEnc. It may be some day, but certainly not now.
Again, this is the binaries group. yenc encoding is the right tool for that job,
and has been for almost a decade.
A brace& bit may be what's needed on rare occasions, but the
power drill is usually more efficient.

Bull**** ... yenc is, and always has been, a non-standard kludge that is
prone to errors/corruption and it's use has basically been preempted by
modern peer to peer file sharing protocols.

Basically live with that fact, or have your content ignored.

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On 05/06/2012 04:14 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
"Because yEnc is not an official Usenet standard, there are popular news
clients which don't natively support yEnc encoding. Outlook Express and
Thunderbird being major examples."

Last I heard Outlook Express (or whatever they call it now) didn't
support yEnc, but Thunderbird has for a long time. I was surprised when
I couldn't see the photo, because I've been able to view yEnc objects
for a few years using Thunderbird. The only times Thunderbird seems to
have issues is if something is transmitted in multipart posts because
it's too large to fit in one. I don't know if that's the case here or
not. Regardless, Thunderbird wasn't able to read the critter. At least
mine wasn't.

Also, there seems to be confusion over yEnc and .jpg. The photos were
probably in .jpg format - they were encoded using yEnc. So the original
poster probably did upload a .jpg but it was transmitted using yEnc
encoding which makes for a smaller file than say, MIME encoding. Think
of it sort of like file compression formats. You can have a normal text
document, and compress it using .zip or another format such as .lzh.
It's stil a text document, but no longer readible by a standard text
editor until it's decompressed. Similar situation with a .jpg image
encoded in an email message...


....Kevin
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On Mon, 14 May 2012 08:25:03 -0800, Kevin Miller
Last I heard Outlook Express (or whatever they call it now) didn't
support yEnc, but Thunderbird has for a long time.

As far as I know, Outlook Express (or Outlook for that matter) still
doesn't support yEnc. However, there are a number of add ons that
enable those two mail readers to do so. yproxy is one of the more
popular.
http://www.yproxy.com/

On 5/14/2012 6:19 PM, Dave wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2012 08:25:03 -0800, Kevin
Last I heard Outlook Express (or whatever they call it now) didn't
support yEnc, but Thunderbird has for a long time.

As far as I know, Outlook Express (or Outlook for that matter) still
doesn't support yEnc. However, there are a number of add ons that
enable those two mail readers to do so. yproxy is one of the more
popular.
http://www.yproxy.com/

Yes, yproxy is the only method I've ever used to read yEnc within Thunderbird.
As far as I know, Thunderbird has *never* supported yEnc natively, and I've
never seen a plugin (or add-on, or extension, or whatever) that will accomplish
that task. In fact, going to the add-on manager in the latest Thunderbird (or
straight to the add-on site at https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/)
and searching for "yEnc" yields NO results. That should tell you something
about how "standard" yEnc really is.

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On 05/15/2012 07:32 AM, Steve Turner wrote:
Yes, yproxy is the only method I've ever used to read yEnc within
Thunderbird. As far as I know, Thunderbird has *never* supported yEnc
natively, and I've never seen a plugin (or add-on, or extension, or

I've never used an add-on, but have viewed single part yEnc posts for
years in T-bird. It's just the multi-part posts that were problematic.
I don't know if this latest post was single or multi-part but suspect
the latter, as yEnc hasn't been an issue for me in ages and all I use is
T-bird...

....Kevin
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Juneau, Alaska
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"In the history of the world, no one has ever washed a rented car."
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