In article , Pope
Secola VI says...

You are a perfect example of why his poll numbers are down. You stupid
****ing *******,

God forbid the president's poll numbers could be down, now.

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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:56:54 GMT, "abracadabra" wrote:


"North" wrote in message
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Tom Gardner wrote in message
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If Bush is such a bad guy, WHY did you vote for him? ...oh, yea the
alternative...



Those who can actually think will not blame Bush,

At dawn on Tuesday the news announced that the levees were breached and New
Orleans was filling with water.
Did Bush take action or did he fly to San Diego to make a political speech?
The buck stops at the oval office baby.

It does these days, doesn't it? Funny how that works, eh? You must be a
Democrat, right? Will that policy be rescinded again IF another Democrat is ever
elected to the presidency again, like it was in the past, where they were not
held accountable for their actions?

Pope Secola VI wrote:


You are either deluded or making stuff up. Homeland security is not a
Democratic party machine and existed long before the 9-11 whitewash
committee. It is the creation of your president.


See what I mean.

The Department of home land security was not in existence before 9/11.


As you can see above (I included the quote) he did not say that. He
said that the Department of Homeland Security was not in existence
before the 9/11 COMMISSION! (he used committee)

Reading is clearly not your strong suit. Let alone comprehension.
Blind hate will do that to a person. Oh well, at least you are a
compassionate conservative.

Abrasha
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tg wrote:
"gaffo" wrote in message
. ..

Guido wrote:

From the BBC:

Truth!


no not truth.

Oh yes it is the truth. As an immigrant I have observed the blatant
racism, poverty and anger of blacks in this country for so many years.
And the images from NOLA only underscored that painful fact.

And no, you can't even blame George Bush for the fact that he is a
shameless racist. He is a racist inside a racist society. It is
impossible for him to even see it. Other presidents and other
administrations haven't acted any differently.

Bush was on the rubble of the symbols of American power and capitalism
immediately with a bull horn. He was on vacation and continuing to
raise money during the crisis in NOLA. No matter how many photo ops he
stages, nothing will wash that "truth" away.

The truth stings, doesn't it.
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Stuart Grey wrote:


Golly, and some people call ME Racist.


You ARE a racist, and a rather vicious one at that, as well as a sexist.

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On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 07:50:08 GMT, the blithe spirit Gunner Asch
clearly indicated:


Because it takes the Feds 4 days to ramp up? Speaking of which..where
was the local first responders. The ones charged by the Feds to be
prepared for this sort of emergency? The ones that the Democratic
local and state government was supposed to provide.

The Curmudgeon Times, September 5th Edition
-------------------------------------------

The people of Nawlins failed to heed the warnings and beat feet.

The people who failed to beat feet also failed to prepare.

The mayor failed to prepare his city.

The governor failed to prepare her state.

FEMA failed to have instant resources standing by despite several
days' warning about the storm.

And Shrub fiddled while NO burned. A true leader would have told
FEMA/DHS to get off their asses and get something, anything, going
NOW, the day it happened. If our people aren't prepared for something
given half a week's notice, how much worse will it be when fecal
material hits the impeller (as someone recently said without
warning? Tangos are like that. Yeah, they are.

The only people we haven't heard about are those who used their
heads, got the f*ck out of Dodge, and are happily settled -anywhere-
else right now. They'd probably be nailed to crosses by the media (for
not saving all of their lazy neighbors) if they came out and told
folks about it, too.

The good news: More people will get the hell out of the way of large
storms in the near future.

The bad news: It'll probably cause more death and destruction as so
many try to leave at once, just before the storm hits.

Sheeple. Ya just gotta love 'em.

LJ-TCT editor.


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On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:39:17 GMT, the blithe spirit Gunner Asch
clearly indicated:

So John..as a leg..how long does it take to mobilize a division thats
not a fast reaction group?

Quick questions: Should ANY division during wartime NOT be a
fast-reaction group? When the main forces of our army are in
other parts of the world fighting pseudo-wars, should'nt all
the remaining forces be at a high readiness? They're our sole-
remaining military defense on our soil, right?
/rhetorical questions


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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:39:17 GMT, the blithe spirit Gunner Asch
clearly indicated:

So John..as a leg..how long does it take to mobilize a division thats
not a fast reaction group?

Quick questions: Should ANY division during wartime NOT be a
fast-reaction group? When the main forces of our army are in
other parts of the world fighting pseudo-wars, should'nt all
the remaining forces be at a high readiness? They're our sole-
remaining military defense on our soil, right?
/rhetorical questions


Larry,
You couldn't do that and wouldn't want to. It is a bad idea and not really
required. The US does have fast reaction forces and the statute that put
them on the map ( Reagan signed it I think) was pretty specific as to
numbers and capabilities. I visited one of these units in the Florida
panhandle on a job once and they are pretty cool. You just have to see a
solid 105mm field howitzer to believe it.
In any event, there was no shortage of regular Army assets at a high enough
state of readiness.

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"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
.. .

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:39:17 GMT, the blithe spirit Gunner Asch
clearly indicated:


Should have been "solid titanium".

solid 105mm field howitzer to believe it.
In any event, there was no shortage of regular Army assets at a high
enough
state of readiness.

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Those who can actually think will not blame Bush,

Make that; those that can actually think like a mindless Gestapo thug will
not blame Bush. But that's because no matter what happens the end is always
the same; don't blame Bush! In other words, no matter how bad the mistake or
how foolish the decision, if you are one of them, you can never blame Bush
for anything that goes wrong. Say it over and over, it's not Bush's fault,
it's not Bush's fault, it's not Bush's fault. Which means to them that the
way Bush has handled this disaster is excellent. This is a textbook response
to a natural disaster. Bush gets his usual A+ from his supporters. Nothing
he did was anything but perfect and the only problems were due to some
Democrats somewhere. Way to go Bush, another great job! Yeah, right.

At dawn on Tuesday the news announced that the levees were breached and
New
Orleans was filling with water.
Did Bush take action or did he fly to San Diego to make a political
speech?
The buck stops at the oval office baby.

Not so long as Bush is there. The buck always stops somewhere else when Bush
is president.

It does these days, doesn't it? Funny how that works, eh? You must be a
Democrat, right? Will that policy be rescinded again IF another Democrat
is ever
elected to the presidency again, like it was in the past, where they were
not
held accountable for their actions?

So, when will the policy of Bush being accountable for his actions take
effect? Since to Republicans nothing is ever Bush's fault I guess he never
has to account for anything he does. He's like a god to his minions and can
do no wrong. Everything he does is blessed and he never makes a mistake.
Gee, it must be nice to be a Republican and have a deity in office to
worship.

It also must be nice to know that as a Republican that everyone but you is a
coward and has no balls. Only you guys have a backbone. Everyone else is
weak. I guess it's the keyboard that does that for them. Right wing computer
warriors; they're awful tough when on the keyboard but they're chickens in
person. It's what allows them say things to people in print they would never
say in person. A computer makes them strong.

Hawke

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

It also must be nice to know that as a Republican that everyone but you is
a
coward and has no balls.

Actually, it's just the Republicans that have connected nuerons.

Only you guys have a backbone.

You're getting warmer.

Everyone else is weak.

Or just absolute idiots like you.

I guess it's the keyboard that does that for them.

Seems to work for you, pussy.

Right wing computer
warriors; they're awful tough when on the keyboard but they're chickens in
person. It's what allows them say things to people in print they would
never
say in person. A computer makes them strong.

Must suck to lose election after election to people dumber than you.

But, of course, you and your liberal lies and keyboard are tough, smart and
hung eh?






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In article , Pope Secola VI says...

There are in fact two things, Science and opinion,
the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance.

Science is out of vogue my friend. It's
been replaced by fairy stories and Inteligent
Design.

We are descending into another dark ages.

Jim


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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:02:34 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote:

Make that; those that can actually think like a mindless Gestapo thug

Since when did Janet Reno and Bubba Clinton get into this thread?

Gunner

In article , John R. Carroll
says...

Today's military are professionals Gunner. The real deal. They require the
same from their civilian leadership.

And that would be who, rumsfeld, cheney?

I think that there's a big leadership vacuum at the top. Those
two guys above don't really care what kind of political deep****
dubya winds up in, domestically. He's a lame duck at this point
right now, that's for sure.

As long as they can realize their aspirations overseas.

Jim


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In article , pyotr filipivich
says...

They have been screaming for a Man on a White Horse to Save Them.

That would be the present director FEMA. His speciality, horses, not
hurricanes!

Jim


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On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:26:21 GMT, the blithe spirit pyotr filipivich
clearly indicated:

Let the record show that "Grady" wrote back on Tue, 6 Sep
2005 22:03:16 -0500 in misc.survivalism :
Hey Gunner, I just saw today where the Mayor is now sawing the Governor
waited 24 hours to pull the trigger on the offer from the Feds. She said she
needed to think about it for 24 hours since it was such a broad offering.


Sounds to me like the Governor and the Mayor are caught in the classic
Prisoners dilemma, but both have decided to spill the beans in hopes of
getting a lighter sentence.

She requested $130 MILLION, then they didn't even bus the folks out?
Those two will get their Instant Karma soon enough.


"I do so love it when a plan comes together."

Right you are, Hannibal.

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RD wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:26:21 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote:


Let the record show that "Grady" wrote back on Tue, 6 Sep
2005 22:03:16 -0500 in misc.survivalism :

Hey Gunner, I just saw today where the Mayor is now sawing the Governor
waited 24 hours to pull the trigger on the offer from the Feds. She said she
needed to think about it for 24 hours since it was such a broad offering.


Sounds to me like the Governor and the Mayor are caught in the classic
Prisoners dilemma, but both have decided to spill the beans in hopes of
getting a lighter sentence.

"I do so love it when a plan comes together."


Plan is right.
It appears the administration's has finally demonstrated some
situational awareness. He's going to hide behind this ladies's skirt.

Who does that remind you of?


The man can't win. He offered federal help early on, but did not (could
not) override the chain of command which was
Mayor --- state governor--- federal
If he had ordered federal agencies in early, deployed troops, both
Nagin and Ms. Governor would have screamed foul and accused Bush of
heavy-handed trampling of state authority. So he makes the offer in a
timely fashion, and the indecisive state and local decision-makers do
not make the call. Shame on 'em.

And all this because Nagin ordered mandatory evacuation, but failed to
provide transportation for those that depended on public transport, and
had no vehicle, even though the city had dozens of buses available.

What's the old line about "Your poor preparation does not constitute an
emergency on my part" ?

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:03:28 -0500, Rex B wrote:

If he had ordered federal agencies in early, deployed troops, both
Nagin and Ms. Governor would have screamed foul and accused Bush of
heavy-handed trampling of state authority.


And she has STILL not allowed centralized control of "her" National
Guard.


"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:20:16 -0400, the blithe spirit Cole Smith
clearly indicated:

Seems as if the US (well, the president) almost has a death wish. So much of the
nation's wealth being ****ed away and it's not as if anyone appreciates it. The cost

My (flaming Liberal) neighbor says there are some folks who think
Shrub is convinced that he is the Chosen One and he's either welcoming
or trying to start the Apocalypse. Given his attitude, I'm not so sure
they're wrong. I wonder if anyone here has researched that
possibility. I haven't taken the time, but that Nutria in D.C is
gnawing at the back of my mind.

Hold on, folks. The ride could get a lot rougher from here on out.


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Let the record show that Gunner wrote back on
Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:43:14 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking :
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:03:28 -0500, Rex B wrote:

If he had ordered federal agencies in early, deployed troops, both
Nagin and Ms. Governor would have screamed foul and accused Bush of
heavy-handed trampling of state authority.


And she has STILL not allowed centralized control of "her" National
Guard.

I say it is time to implement the Liberals apparent desired solution:
"nationalize" Louisiana. Just flat take over the state, replace the
various elected officials with appointees made by the left's current
revered strong man (George Bush. According to the left, in addition to
being able to direct weather systems, he can manage New Orleans better than
the current mayor, all while riding a bicycle and playing the accordion.),
and make the sun shine all the time , and cause the buses to run on time,
and the rains to only fall on Mondays.

Interesting, the ones who seem most vocal about having the President
doing the job of local elected officials seems to be of the party out of
power. Think there might be a connection?
--
pyotr filipivich.
as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

In article , pyotr filipivich
says...

various elected officials with appointees made by the left's current
revered strong man (George Bush. According to the left, in addition to
being able to direct weather systems, he can manage New Orleans better than
the current mayor, all while riding a bicycle and playing the accordion.),
and make the sun shine all the time , and cause the buses to run on time,
and the rains to only fall on Mondays.

Could be, but then how come everytime his handlers let him get on
TV he looks like he can barely tie his shoes. "Deer in the headlights"
is the most common description.

Jim


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In article , pyotr filipivich
says...

various elected officials with appointees made by the left's current
revered strong man (George Bush. According to the left, in addition to
being able to direct weather systems, he can manage New Orleans better
than
the current mayor, all while riding a bicycle and playing the
accordion.),
and make the sun shine all the time , and cause the buses to run on time,
and the rains to only fall on Mondays.

Could be, but then how come everytime his handlers let him get on
TV he looks like he can barely tie his shoes. "Deer in the headlights"
is the most common description.

Jim




Have you ever noticed the way he holds his arms away from his body? Must be
all the exercise. If he would just bend at the knee a little as he
walks.......

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In article , John R. Carroll
says...

Have you ever noticed the way he holds his arms away from his body? Must be
all the exercise. If he would just bend at the knee a little as he
walks.......

Now quit it! This whole thing could be a big black eye for the
chimpster. And he's gotta shut his wife up the next time she
spouts off about "they're gonna be happier in Texas anyway!"

Damage Control

Damage Control

Rumsfeld and Cheney had better pick up the pace.

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"jim rozen" wrote in message
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In article , John R. Carroll
says...

Have you ever noticed the way he holds his arms away from his body? Must
be
all the exercise. If he would just bend at the knee a little as he
walks.......

Now quit it! This whole thing could be a big black eye for the
chimpster. And he's gotta shut his wife up the next time she
spouts off about "they're gonna be happier in Texas anyway!"



That was his mother but you are right, chimpzilla has some 'splianen to do.
I actually, once again, feel sort of sorry for Bush in a way but being the
President of the United States isn't a special Olympics event.


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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 03:48:47 GMT, the blithe spirit "John R. Carroll"
clearly indicated:

That was his mother but you are right, chimpzilla has some 'splianen to do.
I actually, once again, feel sort of sorry for Bush in a way but being the
President of the United States isn't a special Olympics event.

Man, if it weren't so sad and so true, that would be funny.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm#
Anyone here notice that all the pics coming out of LA look like they
could have been taken from the middle of any current downtown city in
other countries? Tijuana/Havana/Port-au-Prince/Mogadishu anyone?
Is this a taste of things to come on a national level? shudder


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Subject: Politics over duty

This is a post from a fellow over in Merritt Is, FL, a reporter who's
been researching what went on before the storm hit:

I think all of Nagin's pomp and posturing is going to bite him hard in
the near future as the lies and distortions of his interviews are coming
to light.

On Friday night before the storm hit Max Mayfield of the National
Hurricane Center took the unprecedented action of calling Nagin and
Blanco personally to plead with them to begin MANDATORY evacuation of NO
and they said they'd take it under consideration. This was after the
NOAA buoy 240 miles south had recorded 68' waves before it was destroyed.

President Bush spent Friday afternoon and evening in meetings with his
advisors and administrators drafting all of the paperwork required for a
state to request federal assistance (and not be in violation of the
Posse Comitatus Act or having to enact the Insurgency Act). Just before
midnight Friday evening the President called Governor Blanco and pleaded
with her to sign the request papers so the federal government and the
military could legally begin mobilization and call up. He was told that
they didn't think it necessary for the federal government to be involved
yet. After the President's final call to the governor she held meetings
with her staff to discuss the political ramifications of bringing
federal forces. It was decided that if they allowed federal assistance
it would make it look as if they had failed so it was agreed upon that
the feds would not be invited in. Saturday before the storm hit the
President again called Blanco and Nagin requesting they please sign the
papers requesting federal assistance, that they declare the state an
emergency area, and begin mandatory evacuation. After a personal plea
from the President Nagin agreed to order an evacuation, but it would not
be a full mandatory evacuation, and the governor still refused to sign
the papers requesting and authorizing federal action. In frustration the
President declared the area a national disaster area before the state of
Louisiana did so he could legally begin some advanced preparations.
Rumor has it that the President's legal advisers were looking into the
ramifications of using the insurgency act to bypass the Constitutional
requirement that a state request federal aid before the federal
government can move into state with troops - but that had not been done
since 1906 and the Constitutionality of it was called into question to
use before the disaster. Throw in that over half the federal aid of the
past decade to NO for levee construction, maintenance, and repair was
diverted to fund a marina and support the gambling ships. Toss in the
investigation that will look into why the emergency preparedness plan
submitted to the federal government for funding and published on the
city's website was never implemented and in fact may have been bogus for
the purpose of gaining additional federal funding as we now learn that
the organizations identified in the plan were never contacted or
coordinating into any planning - though the document implies that they
were. The suffering people of NO need to be asking some hard questions
as do we all, but they better start with why Blanco refused to even sign
the multi-state mutual aid pack activation documents until Wednesday
which further delayed the legal deployment of National Guard from
adjoining states. Or maybe ask why Nagin keeps harping that the
President should have commandeered 500 Greyhound busses to help him when
according to his own emergency plan and documents he claimed to have
over 500 busses at his disposal to use between the local school busses
and the city transportation busses - but he never raised a finger to
prepare them or activate them.

This is a sad time for all of us to see that a major city has all but
been destroyed and thousands of people have died with hundreds of
thousands more suffering, but it's certainly not a time for people to be
pointing fingers and trying to find a bigger dog to blame for local
corruption and incompetence. Pray to God for the survivors that they can
start their lives anew as fast as possible and we learn from all the
mistakes to avoid them in the future.

"Rex B" wrote in message
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Subject: Politics over duty

This is a post from a fellow over in Merritt Is, FL, a reporter who's
been researching what went on before the storm hit:

I think all of Nagin's pomp and posturing is going to bite him hard in
the near future as the lies and distortions of his interviews are coming
to light.


The three dishonest talking points being spread by the GOP are these:

1) The Mayor of New Orleans did not follow the portion of the New
Orleans Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan, which specifies
"Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to
evacuate themselves."

If this quote is taken in context, it is clear that it is referring to
evacuating people to an emergency shelter within the city, not
evacuating people to points outside the city. The Mayor did implement an
emergency bussing system that evacuated the city's poor and disabled to
the Superdome.

This can be verified by reading the plan at
http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26


2) The Governor of Louisiana failed to request federal help in a timely
manner.

The Governor requested help on August 28, 2005 as can be easily seen by
viewing her official request at
http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20...%20Request.pdf

The official White House response to this request is in the press
release at
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0050829-2.html

In fact, the President declared a State of Emergency in Louisiana on
August 26, 2005 that technically made the Governor's request
unnecessary. This can be seen from the official White House press
release at
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0050827-1.html


3) Federal Agencies were unable to respond in a timely manner because
the Governor did not request their help.

Actually, once the President declared the State of Emergency on August
26, 2005, it triggered something called "An Incident of National
Significance." According to the United States National Response Plan,
this has quite a few consequences, all of which are designed to put the
Federal Government in charge, eliminate delays based on paperwork, and
eliminate any need for local officials to ask for help. Here are some
quotes:

"The President leads the Nation in responding efficiently and ensuring
the necessary resources are applied quickly and effectively to all
Incidents of National Significance."

"Standard procedures regarding requests for assistance may be expedited,
or under extreme circumstances, suspended in the immediate aftermath of
an event of catastrophic magnitude."

The US National Response Plan can be found at
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interwe...P_FullText.pdf

There is quite a bit more, but those two quotes cover the major
points. By declaring a State of Emergency, the President officially took
charge of the situation, whether he realized it or not. And once it was
clear that Hurricane Katrina was an event of "catastrophic magnitude"
there should have been no need for FEMA, nor any other Federal agencies
to wait until state or local government requested help from them.

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"Rex B" wrote in message
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Subject: Politics over duty

This is a post from a fellow over in Merritt Is, FL, a reporter who's
been researching what went on before the storm hit:

I think all of Nagin's pomp and posturing is going to bite him hard in
the near future as the lies and distortions of his interviews are coming
to light.

On Friday night before the storm hit Max Mayfield of the National
Hurricane Center took the unprecedented action of calling Nagin and
Blanco personally to plead with them to begin MANDATORY evacuation of NO
and they said they'd take it under consideration. This was after the
NOAA buoy 240 miles south had recorded 68' waves before it was destroyed.

Friday, August 26

GOV. KATHLEEN BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: [Office
of the Governor]

GULF COAST STATES REQUEST TROOP ASSISTANCE FROM PENTAGON: At a 9/1
press conference, Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, commander, Joint Task Force
Katrina, said that the Gulf States began the process of requesting
additional forces on Friday, 8/26. [DOD]
Saturday, August 27

5AM - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN]

GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN
LOUISIANA: "I have determined that this incident is of such severity
and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of
the
State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal
assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public
health,
and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster." [Office
of the Governor]

FEDERAL EMERGENCY DECLARED, DHS AND FEMA GIVEN FULL AUTHORITY TO
RESPOND TO KATRINA: "Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify,
mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources
necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency." [White House]
Sunday, August 28

2AM - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE [CNN]

7AM - KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE [CNN]

MORNING - LOUISIANA NEWSPAPER SIGNALS LEVEES MAY GIVE: "Forecasters
Fear Levees Won't Hold Katrina": "Forecasters feared Sunday
afternoon that storm driven waters will lap over the New Orleans
levees
when monster Hurricane Katrina pushes past the Crescent City
tomorrow." [Lafayette Daily Advertiser]

9:30 AM - MAYOR NAGIN ISSUES FIRST EVER MANDATORY EVACUATION OF NEW
ORLEANS: "We're facing the storm most of us have feared," said
Nagin. "This is going to be an unprecedented event."
[Times-Picayune]

4PM - NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ISSUES SPECIAL HURRICANE WARNING: In
the event of a category 4 or 5 hit, "Most of the area will be
uninhabitable for weeks, perhaps longer. ... At least one-half of
well-constructed homes will have roof and wall failure. All gabled
roofs will fail, leaving those homes severely damaged or destroyed.
....
Power outages will last for weeks. ... Water shortages will make human
suffering incredible by modern standards." [National Weather Service]

AFTERNOON - BUSH, BROWN, CHERTOFF WARNED OF LEVEE FAILURE BY NATIONAL
HURRICANE CENTER DIRECTOR: Dr. Max Mayfield, director of the National
Hurricane Center: "'We were briefing them way before landfall. ...
It's not like this was a surprise. We had in the advisories that the
levee could be topped.'" [Times-Picayune; St. Petersburg Times]

LATE PM - REPORTS OF WATER TOPPLING OVER LEVEE: "Waves crashed atop
the exercise path on the Lake Pontchartrain levee in Kenner early
Monday as Katrina churned closer." [Times-Picayune]

APPROXIMATELY 30,000 EVACUEES GATHER AT SUPERDOME WITH ROUGHLY 36
HOURS
WORTH OF FOOD [Times-Picayune]
Monday, August 29

7AM - KATRINA MAKES LANDFALL AS A CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE [CNN]

8AM - MAYOR NAGIN REPORTS THAT WATER IS FLOWING OVER LEVEE: "I've
gotten reports this morning that there is already water coming over
some of the levee systems. In the lower ninth ward, we've had one of
our pumping stations to stop operating, so we will have significant
flooding, it is just a matter of how much." [NBC's "Today
Show"]

MORNING - BUSH CALLS SECRETARY CHERTOFF TO DISCUSS IMMIGRATION: "I
spoke to Mike Chertoff today - he's the head of the Department of
Homeland Security. I knew people would want me to discuss this issue
[immigration], so we got us an airplane on - a telephone on Air Force
One, so I called him. I said, are you working with the governor? He
said, you bet we are." [White House]

MORNING - BUSH SHARES BIRTHDAY CAKE PHOTO-OP WITH SEN. JOHN MCCAIN
[White House]

11AM - BUSH VISITS ARIZONA RESORT TO PROMOTE MEDICARE DRUG BENEFIT:
"This new bill I signed says, if you're a senior and you like the
way things are today, you're in good shape, don't change. But, by
the way, there's a lot of different options for you. And we're here
to talk about what that means to our seniors." [White House]

LATE MORNING - LEVEE BREACHED: "A large section of the vital 17th
Street Canal levee, where it connects to the brand new 'hurricane
proof' Old Hammond Highway bridge, gave way late Monday morning in
Bucktown after Katrina's fiercest winds were well north."
[Times-Picayune]

11:30AM - MICHAEL BROWN FINALLY REQUESTS THAT DHS DISPATCH 1,000
EMPLOYEES TO REGION, GIVES THEM TWO DAYS TO ARRIVE: "Brown's memo
to Chertoff described Katrina as 'this near catastrophic event' but
otherwise lacked any urgent language. The memo politely ended, 'Thank
you for your consideration in helping us to meet our
responsibilities.'" [AP]

2PM - BUSH TRAVELS TO CALIFORNIA SENIOR CENTER TO DISCUSS MEDICARE
DRUG BENEFIT: "We've got some folks up here who are concerned about
their Social Security or Medicare. Joan Geist is with us. ... I could
tell - she was looking at me when I first walked in the room to meet
her, she was wondering whether or not old George W. is going to take
away her Social Security check." [White House]

9PM - RUMSFELD ATTENDS SAN DIEGO PADRES BASEBALL GAME: Rumsfeld
"joined Padres President John Moores in the owner's box...at Petco
Park." [Editor & Publisher]
Tuesday, August 30

9AM - BUSH SPEAKS ON IRAQ AT NAVAL BASE CORONADO [White House]

MIDDAY - CHERTOFF FINALLY BECOMES AWARE THAT LEVEE HAS FAILED: "It
was on Tuesday that the levee-may have been overnight Monday to
Tuesday-that the levee started to break. And it was midday Tuesday
that I became aware of the fact that there was no possibility of
plugging the gap and that essentially the lake was going to start to
drain into the city." [Meet the Press, 9/4/05]

PENTAGON CLAIMS THERE ARE ENOUGH NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS IN REGION:
"Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said the states have adequate
National Guard units to handle the hurricane needs." [WWL-TV]

MASS LOOTING REPORTED, SECURITY SHORTAGE CITED: "The looting is out
of control. The French Quarter has been attacked," Councilwoman
Jackie Clarkson said. "We're using exhausted, scarce police to
control looting when they should be used for search and rescue while
we
still have people on rooftops." [AP]

U.S.S. BATAAN SITS OFF SHORE, VIRTUALLY UNUSED: "The USS Bataan, a
844-foot ship designed to dispatch Marines in amphibious assaults, has
helicopters, doctors, hospital beds, food and water. It also can make
its own water, up to 100,000 gallons a day. And it just happened to be
in the Gulf of Mexico when Katrina came roaring ashore. The Bataan
rode
out the storm and then followed it toward shore, awaiting relief
orders. Helicopter pilots flying from its deck were some of the first
to begin plucking stranded New Orleans residents. But now the
Bataan's hospital facilities, including six operating rooms and beds
for 600 patients, are empty." [Chicago Tribune]

3PM - PRESIDENT BUSH PLAYS GUITAR WITH COUNTRY SINGER MARK WILLIS
[AP]

BUSH RETURNS TO CRAWFORD FOR FINAL NIGHT OF VACATION [AP]
Wednesday, August 31

TENS OF THOUSANDS TRAPPED IN SUPERDOME; CONDITIONS DETERIORATE: "A
2-year-old girl slept in a pool of urine. Crack vials littered a
restroom. Blood stained the walls next to vending machines smashed by
teenagers. 'We pee on the floor. We are like animals,' said Taffany
Smith, 25, as she cradled her 3-week-old son, Terry. ... By Wednesday,
it had degenerated into horror. ... At least two people, including a
child, have been raped. At least three people have died, including one
man who jumped 50 feet to his death, saying he had nothing left to
live
for. There is no sanitation. The stench is overwhelming."" [Los
Angeles Times, 9/1/05]

PRESIDENT BUSH FINALLY ORGANIZES TASK FORCE TO COORDINATE FEDERAL
RESPONSE: Bush says on Tuesday he will "fly to Washington to begin
work...with a task force that will coordinate the work of 14 federal
agencies involved in the relief effort." [New York Times, 8/31/05]

JEFFERSON PARISH EMERGENCY DIRECTOR SAYS FOOD AND WATER SUPPLY GONE:
"Director Walter Maestri: FEMA and national agencies not delivering
the help nearly as fast as it is needed." [WWL-TV]

80,000 BELIEVED STRANDED IN NEW ORLEANS: Former Mayor Sidney
Barthelemy
"estimated 80,000 were trapped in the flooded city and urged
President Bush to send more troops." [Reuters]

3,000 STRANDED AT CONVENTION CENTER WITHOUT FOOD OR WATER: "With
3,000 or more evacuees stranded at the convention center - and with
no apparent contingency plan or authority to deal with them -
collecting a body was no one's priority. ... Some had been at the
convention center since Tuesday morning but had received no food,
water
or instructions." [Times-Picayune]

5PM - BUSH GIVES FIRST MAJOR ADDRESS ON KATRINA: "Nothing about the
president's demeanor... - which seemed casual to the point of
carelessness - suggested that he understood the depth of the current
crisis." [New York Times]

8:00PM - CONDOLEEZZA RICE TAKES IN A BROADWAY SHOW: "On Wednesday
night, Secretary Rice was booed by some audience members at
'Spamalot!, the Monty Python musical at the Shubert, when the lights
went up after the performance." [New York Post, 9/2/05]

9PM - FEMA DIRECTOR BROWN CLAIMS SURPRISE OVER SIZE OF STORM: "I
must say, this storm is much much bigger than anyone expected." [CNN]
Thursday, September 1

8AM - BUSH CLAIMS NO ONE EXPECTED LEVEES TO BREAK: "I don't think
anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." [Washington Post]

CONDOLEEZZA RICE VISITS U.S. OPEN: "Rice, [in New York] on three
days' vacation to shop and see the U.S. Open, hitting some balls with
retired champ Monica Seles at the Indoor Tennis Club at Grand
Central." [New York Post]

STILL NO COMMAND AND CONTROL ESTABLISHED: Terry Ebbert, New Orleans
Homeland Security Director: "This is a national emergency. This is a
national disgrace. FEMA has been here three days, yet there is no
command and control. We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami
victims, but we can't bail out the city of New Orleans." [Fox News]

2PM - MAYOR NAGIN ISSUES "DESPERATE SOS" TO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT:
"This is a desperate SOS. Right now we are out of resources at the
convention centre and don't anticipate enough buses. We need buses.
Currently the convention centre is unsanitary and unsafe and we're
running out of supplies." [Guardian, 9/2/05]

2PM - MICHAEL BROWN CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE HEARD OF REPORTS OF VIOLENCE:
"I've had no reports of unrest, if the connotation of the word
unrest means that people are beginning to riot, or you know, they're
banging on walls and screaming and hollering or burning tires or
whatever. I've had no reports of that." [CNN]

NEW ORLEANS "DESCEND[S] INTO ANARCHY": "Storm victims were raped
and beaten, fights and fires broke out, corpses lay out in the open,
and rescue helicopters and law enforcement officers were shot at as
flooded-out New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday. 'This is a
desperate SOS,' the mayor said." [AP]

CONDOLEEZZA RICE GOES SHOE SHOPPING: "Just moments ago at the
Ferragamo on 5th Avenue, Condoleeza Rice was seen spending several
thousands of dollars on some nice, new shoes (we've confirmed this,
so her new heels will surely get coverage from the WaPo's Robin
Givhan). A fellow shopper, unable to fathom the absurdity of Rice's
timing, went up to the Secretary and reportedly shouted, 'How dare
you shop for shoes while thousands are dying and homeless!'"
[Gawker]

MICHAEL BROWN FINALLY LEARNS OF EVACUEES IN CONVENTION CENTER: "We
learned about that (Thursday), so I have directed that we have all
available resources to get that convention center to make sure that
they have the food and water and medical care that they need." [CNN]
Friday, September 2

ROVE-LED CAMPAIGN TO BLAME LOCAL OFFICIALS BEGINS: "Under the command
of President Bush's two senior political advisers, the White House
rolled out a plan...to contain the political damage from the
administration's response to Hurricane Katrina." President Bush's
comments from the Rose Garden Friday morning formed "the start of
this campaign." [New York Times, 9/5/05]

9:35AM - BUSH PRAISES MICHAEL BROWN: "Brownie, you're doing a
heck of a job." [White House, 9/2/05]

0 AM - PRESIDENT BUSH STAGES PHOTO-OP "BRIEFING": Coast Guard
helicopters and crew diverted to act as backdrop for President Bush's
photo-op.

BUSH VISIT GROUNDS FOOD AID: "Three tons of food ready for delivery
by air to refugees in St. Bernard Parish and on Algiers Point sat on
the Crescent City Connection bridge Friday afternoon as air traffic
was
halted because of President Bush's visit to New Orleans, officials
said." [Times-Picayune]

LEVEE REPAIR WORK ORCHESTRATED FOR PRESIDENT'S VISIT: Sen. Mary
Landrieu, 9/3: "Touring this critical site yesterday with the
President, I saw what I believed to be a real and significant effort
to
get a handle on a major cause of this catastrophe. Flying over this
critical spot again this morning, less than 24 hours later, it became
apparent that yesterday we witnessed a hastily prepared stage set for
a
Presidential photo opportunity; and the desperately needed resources
we
saw were this morning reduced to a single, lonely piece of
equipment." [Sen. Mary Landrieu]

BUSH USES 50 FIREFIGHTERS AS PROPS IN DISASTER AREA PHOTO-OP: A group
of 1,000 firefighters convened in Atlanta to volunteer with the
Katrina
relief efforts. Of those, "a team of 50 Monday morning quickly was
ushered onto a flight headed for Louisiana. The crew's first
assignment: to stand beside President Bush as he tours devastated
areas." [Salt Lake Tribune; Reuters]

3PM - BUSH "SATISFIED WITH THE RESPONSE": "I am satisfied with
the response. I am not satisfied with all the results." [AP]
Saturday, September 3

SENIOR BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL LIES TO WASHINGTON POST, CLAIMS
GOV. BLANCO NEVER DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY: The Post reported in
their Sunday edition "As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a
state of emergency, the senior Bush official said." They were forced
to issue a correction hours later. [Washington Post, 9/4/05]

9AM - BUSH BLAMES STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS: "[T]he magnitude of
responding to a crisis over a disaster area that is larger than the
size of Great Britain has created tremendous problems that have
strained state and local capabilities. The result is that many of our
citizens simply are not getting the help they need." [White House,
9/3/05]

Here is the timeline Rex.
Regardless of fault, the response was a tit's up from start to finish.
--
John R. Carroll
Machining Solution Software, Inc.
Los Angeles San Francisco
www.machiningsolution.com

Let the record show that jim rozen wrote back on
7 Sep 2005 14:23:26 -0700 in rec.crafts.metalworking :
In article , pyotr filipivich
says...

various elected officials with appointees made by the left's current
revered strong man (George Bush. According to the left, in addition to
being able to direct weather systems, he can manage New Orleans better than
the current mayor, all while riding a bicycle and playing the accordion.),
and make the sun shine all the time , and cause the buses to run on time,
and the rains to only fall on Mondays.

Could be, but then how come everytime his handlers let him get on
TV he looks like he can barely tie his shoes. "Deer in the headlights"
is the most common description.

It is all part of his scheme. Even the left doesn't believe it, as
they know that President Bush is the most cunning person on the planet,
with powers far beyond those of mortal men.

Do not be fooled by appearances.


Bwahahahahahaha!


tschus
pyotr

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pyotr filipivich
Any entity big enough to meet your needs,
is big enough to decide what those needs should be.

In article , Abrasha says...

Unfortunately not much. They'll spin it to their advantage. The have
brilliant people like Rove for that.

Abromoff - Delay - Rove - Cheney....

Jim


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On 24 Sep 2005 17:42:43 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Abrasha says...

Unfortunately not much. They'll spin it to their advantage. The have
brilliant people like Rove for that.

Abromoff - Delay - Rove - Cheney....

Jim


And the Left has brillaint people like Jim to spin ......

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On 24 Sep 2005 17:42:43 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Abrasha says...

Unfortunately not much. They'll spin it to their advantage. The have
brilliant people like Rove for that.

Abromoff - Delay - Rove - Cheney....

Jim


And the Left has brillaint people like Jim to spin ......

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

According to the radio Bush phoned the governor for 2 days asking him to let
the government to send help. The governor refused help for people standing
on the roof of their houses for 2 days. As I understand it Bush couldn't
send in any help unless the governor asks for it by federal law. This was on
the Lars Larson radio show last week.

Unfortunately not much. They'll spin it to their advantage. The have
brilliant people like Rove for that.

Abromoff - Delay - Rove - Cheney....

The people Gunner most admires normal people think belong behind bars.

Hawke

On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 18:19:35 -0700, "Richard W."
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On 24 Sep 2005 17:42:43 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Abrasha says...

Unfortunately not much. They'll spin it to their advantage. The have
brilliant people like Rove for that.

Abromoff - Delay - Rove - Cheney....

Jim


And the Left has brillaint people like Jim to spin ......

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

According to the radio Bush phoned the governor for 2 days asking him to let
the government to send help. The governor refused help for people standing
on the roof of their houses for 2 days. As I understand it Bush couldn't
send in any help unless the governor asks for it by federal law. This was on
the Lars Larson radio show last week.

Unfortunately..all too true. And she never did let the LA guard be
federalized..which in itself caused huge problems in the chain of
command

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner