BigWallop wrote:
"Brian G" wrote in message
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geoff


If everyone of an innocent nature was carrying an ID card, then you
wouldn't be worried at all about being stopped in the street by the
police and asked to show your ID. I think you'd only fly off the
handle and object if you knew you had something to hide, or had just
done something that is against the rules of society, normally called
the moral code.

What about the freedom just to walk about without having to explain
yourself to all and sundry. Remember, it just won't be PC plod who
will have the power to stop you.

With you moral code, what is 'moral' to you is 'immoral' to someone
else, even though what you are doing is perfectly legal!


Moral code is allowing others the freedom to live their lives, as
well as you living yours. No one wants to be frightened just walking
to the shops, and thugs who interfere with that action and bring
about that fear are breaking the moral code.

I'm not talking about people walking around doing their own thing,
where is that illegal? I'm talking about the people who are only
there to make your life a misery. That's illegal, and breaks moral
code.

Unfortunately BW, there are some completely moral actions by others that
makes somebodies life a misery somewhere.

Who in their right minds would think that, in a population of
millions of people, that they, and they alone, would be picked out
and scrutinised by the big brother state? Answers on a post-card
to: :-)

Ask that question to those people who have been stopped and searched
under the 'Suss law' - even though they have been going about their
lawful business. You, like me are old enough to remember that one,
with people being stopped just because they had long hair - I last
saw that law being used a few years ago when driving through a major
city and four plods had just stopped a young lad for no apparent
reason in the 'club-land' area and were searching him.


And did the lad have any outstanding behavoural problems? Was he
known to carry or supply drugs, weapons or things? Yes, I remember
well the SUSS laws, and I still thought they were a good thing. Even
after being stopped and asked who and what I was on numerous
occasions. But an ID card would have help in those situations.
Showing a valid card would have allowed the police to ID me in a
couple of minutes, rather than having to check for my identity over
half the country before letting me go with a "sorry sir" ringing in
my ears.

From what I saw at the time, the lad was merely walking up the street, the
same as a few hundred others were doing at the time. Suss laws cause more
ill-will than the good they do.

Only them with a paranoid disposition are going to think they're
being watched from on high. Time to bring out the aluminium foil
hats folks.

They will watch and you don't need to be of a paranoid disposition
to work that out. BW, you are being 'watched' now. Just jump into
your mode of transport and drive on any major road and you will be
photographed at some stage and your vehicle number checked - could
be a bit awkward if you were 'playin away' in the wrong area of town
and there was a purge on.

Brian G



All I'm hearing here is extreme cases of "what ifs", when all that
will really happen is a card will drop through the doors of the
people who register for them. If you're on the list, then you'll get
in. If you're not, then you'll get hassled.

That is the initial intentention, but after a period, these cards WILL
become compulsory to carry around with with you and when that happens, the
"extreme cases of "what ifs"" will happen - not now, not in ten years time,
but they will happen.

Playing away, as you put it, with a hooker was only made criminal by
the health and safety laws. It was known that men and women who
partook in the pleasures, were nearly a thousand times more likely to
catch sexually transmitted diseases than those who stayed at home, so
to speak. So solicitation was made an offence, and so to was the act
of persuasion (kerb crawling) to a lady of the night. But these laws
were only passed because of the increased health risks to the general
population. Or, put another way, another offence against moral codes.

You missed the point BW, being able to legally track you was the point and
NOT just stop you in the act - not the law on soliciting

If the majority of people lived by allowing others to live, then all
these "silly" and "extreme" laws would be put out to pasture. But,
as long as people out there are only out there to make other peoples
lives a misery, then these "silly" and "extreme" laws will need to be
upheld.

Not the introduction of ID cards, these WILL NOT stop those people doing as
you say - perhaps more effective, old style policing by the local plod on
the beat rather than in cars may do that?

All this is actually being used now in certain places, so why not
extend it to encompass all of us. Maybe then it will be put to good
use.

How? All it does is give the 'illusion of safety/doing something' when all
it really does is cut down the numbers of plods on the beat - the real
criminal catchers. No it used just to 'spy on the masses'.

Brian G