w_tom wrote in message ...
I don't like being shocked. Have not suffered a good shock
for over ten years. Then on a volunteer job, I debugged a
strange electrical problem that no one could solve. Got a
real good shock. Two circuit's hot wires were tied together
in one switch box. Two switches were suppose to control
separate circuits. The wireman tied both hot wires together
in that box. The 'unexpected' circuit got me real good. A
problem compounded by safety grounds not properly tied
together in another box.
Just one idea to investigate.
Joe Doe wrote:
I was trying to map the outlets in my house to the appropriate circuit
breakers. In addition to plugging in lamps etc. I was using a tracing
tool made by Sperry that you plug into an outlet and it squawks when you
position the receiving device over the appropriate breaker.
Almost all circuits in the house map fine - the tool adjusted for
sensitivity points to a breaker, I shut it off, lamps go off, all is
well.
In my kitchen, ALL GFCI outlets map to THREE!! breakers (all wrong).
All the GFCIs are on one breaker which is NOT picked up by the tester.
Two other(non GFCI) outlets and the fridge are also on this breaker.
This would suggest something is wrong. Any ideas?
I intend to have a professional electrician look at it but was
wondering what the error could be, and the urgency of having it
evaluated (have been living here for about 2.5 years and the house
has not yet burned down). House is 50+ years and mixture of
grounded and ungrounded wiring.
Incidentally, if I was trying to map the breakers with only a radio or
lamp I would not have detected what appears to be a problem.
I can be reached at if you prefer e-mail
Roland
These plug-in circuit tracers are handy enough but I have no doubt
there are lots of situations in which they indicate the wrong cables
back at the panel, so I'd never trust my life to them. Anything they
indicate needs to be verified by other means. For Roland's situation
it sounds like the tracer's signal is being induced into other cables;
this is pretty common (though three at once is worth bragging about).
Probably all the cables are close together somewhere, going through a
joist or a sill. In fact, they may be *too* close, for too long a
stretch, by current code, but it's hard to know if this is worrisome
enough to start tearing up walls.
Now, as to why the signal is not appearing on the right cable, I
dunno. But if you *know* that the breaker kills that circuit, then
clearly the signal *is* being blocked, so the reason why is really of
academic interest only (on a hunch, I'd try it with the fridge
unplugged). I would never discourage you from having it checked out,
but my gut feeling is that all is ok and the tester is just giving
wrong weird results.
As an aside, it's only a matter of time before your toaster and
electric frying pan gang up on your fridge and they all knock each
other out. If you're going to spring for an electrician, have a
dedicated line run to the fridge, and as a side issue have the current
circuit checked out.
But J.Doe has stumbled over true evilness. I have some knob-and-tube
in my house that I haven't completely figured out yet, and I have a
sneaking suspicion that the neutrals, if not the hots, are mixed from
different circuits. I have a little inductive tester that's my first
tool to check for hot wires; its negative results in low-sensitivty
mode (ie, direct contact) are mostly pretty accurate but it gives a
lot of false positives owing to induced voltages. I also have a
lamp-type device. I test them both on known-live circuits lots before
I trust their negative results. Both of these are cheap at most
hardware stores. Prior to touching a bare wire, *after* I'm "certain"
by all other means that it's cold, I hold it by the insulation and
carefully brush it on a neutral or a ground wire. This is a test of
last resort; the arc from a hot wire is serious business (the flash
could cause vision damage if you're looking at it, and start a fire)
but in my own opinion it does rank as slightly more survivable than
grabbing it with bare hands with your feet on the ground.
Chip C