On 11/25/2012 08:16 PM, Dave wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:42:01 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
Whine.....

Gotta come down on the whining side. He has the right to go hunting
when and where he wants, all rights except a moral one.

Going to have to say non-sense on this one Dave. If you want to discuss
morality as it relates to animals, you don't have to look too hard to
discover that livestock is raised in very inhumane conditions.

Chickens are bread to grow so fast and larger than normal that some of
them can't support their own weight. They are crammed into chicken
"houses" with virtually no room to move, standing in their own excrement
and breathing foul air. Same with cattle in feed lots standing knee
deep in manure. Veal cattle are kept in tiny little pens w/o enough
room to even turn around so that the tenderness of their meat is maximized.

Watch "Food, Inc." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food,_Inc.) sometime
then come back and tell me how morally superior our industrial food
system is to hunting.

And, of course, there's the health and environmental benefits of eating
meat that isn't full of growth hormones and antibiotics.

In this day and age, when food is plentiful and available, killing
such a majestic animal purely for sport is an affront. He didn't kill
the buck for survival and he didn't do it for pest control.

On the contrary, one has to eat to survive. Whether a cow is killed or
a deer is irrelevant. An animal dies. And that animal would eventually
die regardless of whether it is shot or not. Certainly being shot is a
much quicker death than most animals in the wild have. Starvation, or
being taken down by wolves, coyotes, cougars, etc. doesn't sound like
any kind of fun. But that's the reality of a wild existence.

Game is managed for pest control as well. In many areas deer are a problem.

Killing just for the hell of it just because we're the most predatory
animal on the planet is unacceptable.

I never was one for "trophy killing" but killing for food is just a
natural participation in the food chain. Unless you're vegetarian (or
more to the point, vegan), you're responsible for the death of animals.
Just because your meat comes in a sanitized package doesn't mean it
wasn't a living breathing animal at some point. Given the horrible way
feedstock is raised, I'd say that if there's a moral high ground to be
had it comes down squarely on the side of the hunters.

Of course, at many stores one can find free range, hormone free chicken
and beef but it costs 2-3 times as much. Are you buying only humanely
raised and killed meat Dave (and Mike)?

Pot, kettle, black?

Yup, I used to hunt, (not very successfully I might add), but my views
have changed over the years.

Great - more game for the rest of us...

....Kevin
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Kevin Miller
Juneau, Alaska
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